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Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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I think something that doesn't get said enough is Meta did, albeit intentionally kick off the origin of the open source race back in 2023 with the release of llama. I'm not a big fan of meta in general, but they've done enough good, and it's possible that it was intentional as well. I don't know, I wasn't in the rooms, and I think it's worth giving them some reasonable doubt. No one is purely good, and no one is pure…

People like to polarize themselves to one extreme. Plenty of HN people call Elon Musk "pure evil." It's the most ludicrous statement ever.

Let me be clear: with electric cars and solar, elon musk has done more net good for the world then almost everyone on HN. Is elon musk perfect? No. Far from it. It's within the imperfectness that people find reasons to attack him.

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There is no source available. Its just open weights.

"open source" doesn't even make much sense for a model. But llama isn't even fully open weights due to the restrictions on its use.

Open source would mean publishing the training data and code.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

#523

I think something that doesn't get said enough is Meta did, albeit intentionally kick off the origin of the open source race back in 2023 with the release of llama. I'm not a big fan of meta in general, but they've done enough good, and it's possible that it was intentional as well. I don't know, I wasn't in the rooms, and I think it's worth giving them some reasonable doubt. No one is purely good, and no one is pure…

People like to polarize themselves to one extreme. Plenty of HN people call Elon Musk "pure evil." It's the most ludicrous statement ever. Let me be clear: with electric cars and solar, elon musk has done more net good for the world then almost everyone on HN. Is elon musk perfect? No. Far from it. It's within the imperfectness that people find reasons to attack him.

One nit:

> It's the most ludicrous statement ever.

That is also polarized to the extreme, to the point that it's ludicrous.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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People like to polarize themselves to one extreme. Plenty of HN people call Elon Musk "pure evil." It's the most ludicrous statement ever. Let me be clear: with electric cars and solar, elon musk has done more net good for the world then almost everyone on HN. Is elon musk perfect? No. Far from it. It's within the imperfectness that people find reasons to attack him.

One nit: > It's the most ludicrous statement ever. That is also polarized to the extreme, to the point that it's ludicrous.

Oh shit, let me dial it back: "Just ludicrous" not the most ludicrous statement ever. Also I have no interest in what you have to say.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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You lost me when you said trains and cars shouldn’t go over 30mph. Lol, this sounds like Amish propaganda. Go buy your horse and buggy

Another dry sarcasm victim. If you check the link, it’s clear they were talking about a supposed contemporary concern about health effects from trains, the implication being that today people are also irrationally afraid of tech. Problem is I’m fairly sure the link is wildly overstating its case, and looks like a content farm. Might even be, ironically, AI slop itself! For example, it talks about “railway spine”: “Ph…

> fairly sure the link is wildly overstating its case

Sorry for the particular link, I'd grabbed whatever.

If one takes a minute, one can find contemporary newspaper articles. IIRC, many were about how people could suffocate.

https://books.google.com/books?id=Lm03AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA337&dq=t...

Contemporary women's health:

https://books.google.com/books?id=9-FXAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA71&dq=ho...

And contemporary survey of fears:

https://books.google.com/books?id=-RdAAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA107&dq=%...

Aaand, a 2023 takedown of claiming claims about historical tech hysteria:

https://www.wired.com/story/technology-predictions-history/

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Am I the only one getting the impression this dude was merely lucky back in the day, in fact at the right time, rather than having been super intelligent nor forward thinking… ? I mean - given all his throw outs in media and his apparent burn of nearly 80bn for a failed 3D world?

Disclaimer- ex Meta employee. Horizon was horribly managed, but also we threw all of our unannounced projects under that umbrella to make it look better for shareholders when we finally cut it. The original LLM research, smart glasses, and a bunch of other projects were under the "Reality Labs" business expense.

what amount, if we agree some nice research came out of these labs, we can attribute to Zuck directly impacting the process in a positive way...?

I'm trying to counter my thesis here really, but let's allow myself to be wrong about a person.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

#528

I think something that doesn't get said enough is Meta did, albeit intentionally kick off the origin of the open source race back in 2023 with the release of llama. I'm not a big fan of meta in general, but they've done enough good, and it's possible that it was intentional as well. I don't know, I wasn't in the rooms, and I think it's worth giving them some reasonable doubt. No one is purely good, and no one is pure…

The tobacco companies gave enough money to charity so we should just be happy about it. Never mind all the horrible things they’ve done.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Not to be coy, but what is happening right now? You definitely have some scams and some software flaws being exposed, but I think for a revolutionary leap in tech this is all quite muted. Revolutionary tech advances often come with some severe consequences. For instance, to this day (after a century of safety improvements) cars still kill more than a million people a year, to say nothing of wrecking the atmosphere, b…

Thats like, your opinion man... I don't know a single white collar person who isn't worried for their job with llms. Every. Single. One. Lawyers, doctors, any type of office workers I ask. The definition of white collar. Plus don't let me start on various automatable blue collar jobs like drivers, warehouse workers and so on. What do we get in return? Better search (for now, its already getting riddled with ads which…

Yet, there isn't time in history I would rather live in, and I am certain almost every single other person thinks the same.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

#530

My favorite paragraph from Zuckerberg's writeup: """ [...] it is surprising that the discourse from many developing AI is so filled with doom. I do not understand why anyone who believes that AI will eliminate most jobs and much of humanity's relevance would rush to build that future. The notion that AI is so dangerous that the only safe path is an extreme concentration of power seems inherently problematic. Historic…

sometimes can't believe such rich/mighty people are this stupid
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