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Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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Putting aside the fact that it is horribly bloated. Accurately measuring RAM usage is tricky, there are several measurements, and no "right" one. It is clear from the article that what eats up so much RAM is not the weather app itself but the framework it runs on. There is a "Renderer", a "GPU Process",... eating most of it. The thing that the task manager doesn't tell you is whether or not these are shared component…

> It is clear from the article that what eats up so much RAM is not the weather app itself but the framework it runs on. There is a "Renderer", a "GPU Process",... eating most of it.

Got a bit confused by this, because nowhere in the article are the words "Renderer" or "GPU". Regardless - all processes that comprise the app are the app, not just the parent process.

When I run it locally and check in procexp it has 8 webview subprocesses and all together it's using similar if not higher levels of memory than claimed in the article. Private Bytes is over a GB in total. I expect the webview processes are sharing memory for DLLs though.

Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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No /s so I wouldn't know.

it's not as dead-pan with an /s imhho, I prefer the ambiguity, the increased hilarity, the increased mental work of considering whether a statement is in good faith or being sarcastic/sardonic, the opportunity to understand how people can be hurt and the motives of barbs and lashes and how to discern the distress and deeper needs of "violent" people, and eventually the remembered insights on how to better generate bo…

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Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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rust programs are a lot of times faster and orders of magnitude safer than C and C++ counterparts... where is your data to support your assertion that rust programs use more resources than C and C++ programs?

>rust programs are a lot of times faster [...] than C and C++ counterparts Troll post? Or has fanboyism really gone this far?

It's often basically true though - the guarantees that rust can make wrt to lifetimes and memory allocation clearly enable programs to allocate less and be more aggressive with what they do allocate (all while being a fairly high-level language - I don't know if most rust programmers actually know what memory safety is at this point)

I'm really not a huge fan of rust as a language but it is clearly delivering results in that e.g. I find myself actively hoping that people rewrite web tooling in rust and so on. C++ is a mess that should be allowed to die.

Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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rust programs are a lot of times faster and orders of magnitude safer than C and C++ counterparts... where is your data to support your assertion that rust programs use more resources than C and C++ programs?

>rust programs are a lot of times faster [...] than C and C++ counterparts Troll post? Or has fanboyism really gone this far?

Rust is much less likely to have heap leaks.

Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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I think you guys on HN can be a bit out of touch maybe? On my linux machine (measured with tux-manager): nautilus 177 MB kitty 150 MB alacritty 107 MB mpv --idle --force-window 160 MB winit empty window + OpenGL context 100 MB tux-manager 69 MB hexchat 55 MB gnome-terminal 47 MB st 12 MB xterm 12 MB All these apps are what you would consider native, good apps. Written with Qt, GTK, some in low level langs like C\C++,…

These apps have codebases going back to the 2000s when having 256MB ram total was a big deal, yet these apps could contend with that (while offering pretty much identical functionality). I remember one of the big arguments for GTK against Qt was that C++ relied heavily on templates, thus every C++ app would have their own copies of the same functions in RAM, while GTK was C, and a lot of those library pages could be…

In the 2000's 256MB were the bare minimum, my PC in 2002-3 had that.

Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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My gaming PC that I built in January 2006 that IIRC I used to simultaneously run Battlefield 2, Trillian, Xfire, Thunderbird, and Winamp with a 1680x1050 monitor had 1 GB of total system RAM.

That's because programmers in 2006 didn't understand programming. They didn't understand how to make their software better . Real programming means writing your own javascript glue, pulling in hundreds of supply-chain-compromised js libraries that you never inspect or profile, and running the whole thing in a browser engine, while making sure to store all state in the cloud. The modern breed of programmers who don't…

2026 programmers also look down on 2024 programmers, these guys didn't understand you can get an intern to vibe code the hole thing in a week and run it in kernel mode on half of the machines in the world the following week (after another mandatory reboot).

Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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>it's difficult to find a moderately high end laptop Terrible news for you, people work on dogshit dells given by their company and netbooks, not high end laptops. Macbook Pros, high end laptops, etc are exceedingly rare. (And can also deal with the high memory usage by virtue of having more memory). >you want a background picture which fills the entire window Which you rarely do, and also you don't develop for eithe…

Are you disagreeing just to disagree? My numbers are obviously not going to fit every app in every situation, but I think they illustrate a perfectly realistic use case For the text rendering thing, I think we're talking past each other? Nothing I mentioned implied redoing layout every frame? You render to a pixel buffer, upload that pixel buffer to the GPU, then just draw that texture every render. For DWM, it sound…

In reply to user well_ackshually:

> Are you disagreeing just to disagree?

Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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The thoughtful vibe coders don't have a good answer for this because vibe coding makes it too easy to take the get 'er done approach.

The AI hypesters and hucksters don't care as long as number go up. Cyclically I believe the primary driving force behind agentic solutions is to send token use hyperbolic.

Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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Another easy workaround: 1. Install Linux with KDE 2. Turn on weather report widget 3. Enjoy :) PS: You've also solved the mandatory account requirement, adds all over the OS, "Copilot" everywhere, Edge constantly coming back and much more <3

For the Windows look and feel, I recommend Mint + Cinnamon. It took me about 15min to not miss anything on Windows and was shocked how I had forgotten how clean a system can be. Mandatory Windows accounts can still be circumvented with a console command for Win 11 installations, but the overall enshitification package just got worse and worse. Cinnamon is X11, but it works very well.

> Mandatory Windows accounts can still be circumvented with a console command for Win 11 installations

Heard that's patched too

Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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Doesn't Brave have an inbuilt ad blocker?

Brave has a workaround to make some v2 extensions work, including ublock origin

He's talking about the built-in adblocker
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