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US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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Post by gusgus01 »

ethbr1 wrote: post #498
monkpit wrote: post #464

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What point are you trying to make, exactly?

An important one that often that gets lost in "drone strikes bad" internet debating: the cost of the alternative. If a nation is conducting drone strikes on another nation's territory, the alternative is usually conventional forces at scale on the ground*. As the Iraq occupation showed, conventional ground forces at scale cause an even larger number of civilian deaths. So drone strikes, if kinetic intervention is pre…

Isn't "if there are regular drone strikes, it feels like the aggressor country is past that Rubicon." kind of self-refuting?

Conventional forces aren't deployed in many instances where regular drone strikes are used, thus the country didn't feel it was the right risk/cost to deploy conventional forces.

At the very least, it's a statement that deserves more debate, and I'd point to the many examples of how reducing cost and risk tends to increase the rate of an activity.

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Post by fryanyway_swe »

iso1631 wrote: post #511
fryanyway_swe wrote: post #283

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EU is already under attack by Iran and has been for a while yet the american zoomers on TikTok/Reddit/here state everything is fine and Iran/China/Russia just wants to be left alone uwu >The Swedish Security Service has established that the Iranian regime uses criminal networks in Sweden to carry out violent acts against other states, groups, or individuals in Sweden that Iran regards as threats. https://sakerhetspol…

Neither Norway nor the UK are in the EU. And Russia is constantly attacking europe (EU and non-EU), in addition to its invasion of a European country. Of the three adversaries you mention, and the additional one being the US technocratic administration, China is the least threatening to Europe.

Okay, Europe is under attack by Iran. And Russia.

China has sinister intentions.

AND actively helps Russia.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/russia-ap...

I understand that you are a commie, but do not apologize for China.

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Post by encrypted_bird »

Loquebantur wrote: post #400
encrypted_bird wrote: post #361

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>"Partially agreeing" while baselessly denying the central point is what exactly in your book? It means partially agreeing, and quite respectfully, I might add. You, however, were only *dis*respectful, downright rude in fact. >Treating it at the same level of effort as every other infotainment piece is a failure of judgement. I'm not treating anything as the same as any level of effort. All I'm saying is if you act l…

No, it doesn't: it means to mislead people like you into getting the appearance of agreeableness while actually still baselessly denying the salient point. Denying without giving any rational reason is again a rhetoric trick to gaslight people not trained in applying formal logic into believing something in spite of contradicting evidence. How do you act here? You attack me personally while adding nothing to the actu…

>You attack me personally while adding nothing to the actual topic at hand.

My goal was never to contribute to the discussion but merely to explain that your attitude will not win any converts to your arguments.

People are having good discussions in good faith here and you're angry and contemptuous toward them.

Anyway...it seems you have no as much interest in hearing me than you have in admitting your self-sabotaging emotional state. I am done with this topic.

Good day.

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Post by mycall »

slim wrote: post #131
mycall wrote: post #97

Were any of these suicides by falling out of a window? That might imply involvement of certain foreign actors.

no, which obviously implies involvement from US government

I was thinking Russia but sure. There are in the act of a hybrid asymmetric war now.

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Post by preg_match »

perpetuallunch wrote: post #446
singingtoday wrote: post #376

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This is a fascinating assertion. I would love to read more about it. Can you please provide some sources?

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You can't hand wave "do your own research" when you make a bold, and frankly obviously incorrect, claim.

You can only do that hand waving when you say something most people already know to be true. "The sky is blue" -> okay, do your own research. "Pigs can fly" -> either show a research paper or shut up, you're wasting everyone's brain cells.

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Post by cosmicgadget »

serf wrote: post #37
Forgeties79 wrote: post #26

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> The new US policy under Trump is giving up trying to win the world and instead focusing on internal market and dominance over the American continent. Is that why he bombed Iran and single-handedly caused a global energy crisis? A shift of focus to “dominance of the American continent”?

Well yeah, probably -- during this self made crisis oil prices in the US are some of the most well controlled. Destabilizing everywhere else is a potential step taken toward achieving continental superiority in certain regards. ( not a GOOD step, mind you)

I choose to believe the unhinged rants about Iran are genuine and that he expected Venezuela and got Vietnam.

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Post by preg_match »

andsoitis wrote: post #413
singingtoday wrote: post #376

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This is a fascinating assertion. I would love to read more about it. Can you please provide some sources?

Can you think of a single person who has cured their mental health problem?

Really depends on how you define "cure".

What most people cannot comprehend, for some very bizarre reason, is that many chronic problems do not have one-time solutions. They require chronic solutions.

Take alcoholism. The "cure" for alcoholism is never drinking. You never stop being an alcoholic, you can only manage it by not drinking.

Take obesity. Obesity has no "cure" either in that sense. The "cure" for obesity is diet and exercise management, forever, until the day you die. It's like taking a pill, every day, forever, until you die. If you one day decide to stop taking the pill of diet and exercise, you will be obese again. In that sense, the obesity never left you, merely it's symptoms left you temporarily while you managed it.

Mental health is the same way. There is no magic "oh now I'll never be sad or anxious again!". No. You manage it every day, forever, until the day you die. You manage it via therapy, behavior modification, and medication. If you stop doing that, it will come back, because it never left you. It's a chronic condition, like being a brunette.

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Post by preg_match »

andsoitis wrote: post #460
thin_carapace wrote: post #419

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I'm personally acquainted with multiple people who figured out that their mental health symptoms were downstream effects of natural phenomena (diet incompatible with genotype, insufficient sunlight exposure, excessive work stress, etc), with resultant drastic improvement of mental condition after root cause rectification. any reason in particular for you to have asked?

Here is a list of mental health disorders from the World Health Organization: https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/mental-diso... Which of these triggered for one of those people by one of the things you listed (like diet incompatible with genotype)?

I'm not him, but most mental illnesses are exacerbated by excessive stress. For example depression, anxiety, and OCD. What causes stress varies person to person.

For example, consider you have inflammatory bowel disease (IBD). Some food causes you pain, discomfort, and stress. Over time, eating the wrong diet can worsen your anxiety. You might fear going out and having fun, because you have to use the bathroom too much. Then, in that sense, a diet incompatible with your genotype triggers your anxiety disorder.

Or consider a stressful job, like being in the military. That might trigger or cause PTSD. Then, later down the line, another stressful job might trigger that PTSD.

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Post by hn_go_brrrrr »

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #461
andsoitis wrote: post #412

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Do you know a single person who has cured their mental health problem?

Yes. What point are you trying to make?

I think that's obvious. He doesn't know anyone who has, and thinks the whole thing is a waste of time.

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Post by breppp »

leonidasrup wrote: post #495
breppp wrote: post #334

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> Hamas has the influence it has because the US wants it to have it I doubt this is backed by US intentions and actions historically > Similarly, Obama supported the Muslim Brotherhood because he did That seems like a tautology to me, care to expand? I vividly remember Obama throwing his autocrat ally under the bus > in Ukraine for instance the same admin supported a coup The protests in Ukraine hardly seem like a US…

"In the late 2010s and early 2020s, Israeli officials encouraged Qatar to support Hamas, especially by approving the transfer of large sums of financial aid by Qatar to the organization. Several Israeli intelligence officials have cited Qatari money as a contributing factor to the success of Hamas in leading the October 7 attacks in 2023; Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu has called the notion that Israel str…

I'm not sure how is that related to the original topic.

The events I am describing are a decade to two before the ones you are describing. Back in the early 2000s Qatar was already financing Hamas as well as Al Qaeda (including involvement in 9/11 financing) and Hezbollah in some extent.

Saying Qatar needed Israel's request to start financing ideologically close Islamist terror organizations is certainly the Qatar government line for their involvement, but it's a very shallow analysis of what happened

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