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Post by strictnein »

pbiggar wrote: post #422
strictnein wrote: post #274

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> This led to a coup, which resulted in the current Iranian government. I mean, you're passing over the violent revolution from socialists and Islamists.

America had a violent revolution. So did practically every other country. Are violent revolutions de facto bad?

Huh? I'm just pointing out that their supposed timeline of events missed a rather notable one.

Also, yes, your insight that not all revolutions are equal is correct. The US "revolution" (really more of a war for independence) was a net positive. The Iranian Revolution (which truly was a revolution) was a net negative.

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Post by throwaway2037 »

curation wrote: post #470
testdelacc1 wrote: post #441

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I wonder why they don’t target Russian data centers? Much harder to repair or replace.

wildberries has been taken over by an oligarch and the only powers in Russia that Putin may hear are the oligarchs. There will be no 'overthrow of Putin' in Russia because there is no institutional support and it is well understood by literate people - a revolution is not just a disorganized uprising on the streets (what happens the next day? - return to normal) it requires years of planning and support.

    > wildberries has been taken over by an oligarch
This is incorrect. The founder and CEO of Wildberries of Tatyana Kim. She does not come from a wealthy family. She started that business as a young mother in 2004 and is self-made.

    > a revolution is not just a disorganized uprising on the streets it requires years of planning and support.
Many Eastern bloc communist states fell with large public protests and did not "require years of planning and support". [1]

[1] "How Every Communist Country in Europe Ended": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avTUUizh-sg

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Post by qntmfred »

Galaxeblaffer wrote: post #511
qntmfred wrote: post #284

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there's much more to the story of Iran than the simple "oh of course the UK and US are bad"

Og course there's so much more to the story.. but the fact is that the monarchy was effectively overthrown and shah had given up power and fled the country. In this particular instance it's very simple.. the us and the uk was bad

just bc the shah fled the country doesn't mean the us and uk were bad or even the root cause. same kind of simple-minded ignorance that led to Mossadegh's rise in the first place.

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Post by throwaway2037 »

Jensson wrote: post #423
ifwinterco wrote: post #396

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Let’s say you live in the northern US and Canada signs a deal with China to put air bases with Chinese missiles just north of the US border. Would that be fine? Or would that cause a lot of tension with Canada and make them involved in a US-China conflict?

USA would look very bad if they started bombarding Canada over that, yes. Not even Russia does that. They protest but they haven't started bombarding neutral countries over such things yet. You don't see Ukraine bombarding Belarus either, even though Belarus is full of Russian bases.

    > Belarus is full of Russian bases
This is an exaggeration of the truth. Here is what I found:

    > Russia does not officially maintain a traditional independent sovereign military base in Belarus, but it operates two Soviet-era radar and communication facilities and heavily uses Belarusian military infrastructure, airfields, and new joint construction projects.

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Post by throwaway2037 »

ButlerianJihad wrote: post #517
shevy-java wrote: post #467

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What do you mean? It is very clear that Trump declared war on Iran. That's factual. Civilian damage occurs all the time - often on purpose (infrastructure), sometimes not directly on purpose (drones getting off-target for various reasons, that also happens and not all of this is on purpose). What Iran does here is increase the cost of waging warfare against it, to make continuation of war as unappealing as possible.…

> Trump declared war on Iran. No, that is actually a lie, and quite obviously false. In the United States, nobody can "declare war" except Congress. Our President has authorized military action against Iran and plenty of strikes, this is true. However, Congress has not passed a War Powers Resolution, much less an open declaration of war. Therefore, nobody in the United States has "declared war on Iran", the current s…

For the record, the US is a bit weird internationally about how it "declares" war. As a historical fact, the US never formally declared war against Vietnam. Anyone with a middle school education or greater would look at that "conflict" and say, "Obviously, that was a war." Weeks of aerial bombing of military targets in Iran? Again, common sense would say that is a war, regardless of what the US Constitution says.

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Post by ButlerianJihad »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #525
ButlerianJihad wrote: post #517

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> Trump declared war on Iran. No, that is actually a lie, and quite obviously false. In the United States, nobody can "declare war" except Congress. Our President has authorized military action against Iran and plenty of strikes, this is true. However, Congress has not passed a War Powers Resolution, much less an open declaration of war. Therefore, nobody in the United States has "declared war on Iran", the current s…

For the record, the US is a bit weird internationally about how it "declares" war. As a historical fact, the US never formally declared war against Vietnam. Anyone with a middle school education or greater would look at that "conflict" and say, "Obviously, that was a war." Weeks of aerial bombing of military targets in Iran? Again, common sense would say that is a war, regardless of what the US Constitution says.

But anyone who grew up during the conflicts in Korea or Vietnam will distinctly recall how controversial they were as "police actions" and calling it anything-but-a-war, because they were undeclared by Congress.

Obviously, anyone can look into the Wikipedia articles for any of those conflicts and see that they're all properly labeled as "wars", but it is also quite possible for a nation or entity to be a belligerent and participate in an actual war without formally and legally declaring it so.

So to say that "[President] Trump declared war" is definitely false, and it is rather amusing to me, reading the "Iran War" article, how often it says "Trump declared ..." something on X. Perhaps it's a fiction that haters like to hate with, like the way that the executive branch can't pass a law without all of Congress passing that law first, but they still take all the credit for passing those laws?!

I think that the US Congress is reluctant to declare wars because of the many ramifications for our own nation and the entire world. Nobody wants to see WW3 erupt, and WWII was well underway before the US was goaded into wholeheartedly joining the fray.

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Post by throwaway2037 »

ButlerianJihad wrote: post #526
throwaway2037 wrote: post #525

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For the record, the US is a bit weird internationally about how it "declares" war. As a historical fact, the US never formally declared war against Vietnam. Anyone with a middle school education or greater would look at that "conflict" and say, "Obviously, that was a war." Weeks of aerial bombing of military targets in Iran? Again, common sense would say that is a war, regardless of what the US Constitution says.

But anyone who grew up during the conflicts in Korea or Vietnam will distinctly recall how controversial they were as "police actions" and calling it anything-but-a-war, because they were undeclared by Congress. Obviously, anyone can look into the Wikipedia articles for any of those conflicts and see that they're all properly labeled as "wars", but it is also quite possible for a nation or entity to be a belligerent…

    > Nobody wants to see WW3 erupt
Slightly off-topic, but I think WW3 is already happening: the Russo-Ukraine war. Over 50 nations are involved in both sides of the conflict.

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Post by esseph »

giardini wrote: post #493
ben_w wrote: post #425

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> Well, apparently they've had (lots of) the raw material for years. "raw material" != "material". While I assume they could've purified enough of the former into the latter by this point if they wanted to, it is a much much harder thing to do than to say. > Marie Curie purified plutonium all by herself before the turn of the century (albeit in minuscule amounts at high personal cost), so I have little confidence in…

Thanks for the history corrections and clarifications. Now I'll never forget that Mme. curie isolated polonium (another nearly-useless factoid). History is important but not as important as science. Still you're looking more and more like Frank Drebin: "Nothing to see here, folks, move along!" https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=google.... ben_w: "You're taking a comic book plot device as evidence?"…

> History is important but not as important as science.

Bullshit. Without historical data, you can't recreate experiments!

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Post by lesuorac »

radiator wrote: post #490
lesuorac wrote: post #465

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Presumably they don't know where they are. It's not like something being civilian infrastructure is a problem - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_strikes_against_Ukrain... What's somebody going to do? Complain to the UN?

So I have to make it plainer. Those factories are not all in Ukraine. The governments of the countries who host the factories have switched their rhetoric from 2023. Back then it was "oh, we cannot arm Ukraine with weapons with range longer than 100 km, because then according to international law we are complicit in attacking Russia and Russia has a legal right to strike us back". But in 2026 attacks on non-military…

You probably do have to make it plainer.

Afaik, Europe is not in solidarity on no long range weapons and it's mostly driven by the US who is trying to get out of helping Ukraine. So which countries are given the drones and which countries said no long range attacks?

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Post by testdelacc1 »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #518
testdelacc1 wrote: post #441

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I wonder why they don’t target Russian data centers? Much harder to repair or replace.

Datacenters are full of metal. Warehouses are full of cardboard boxes and styrofoam. A rack of 14 $5k servers is worth $70k. A half-pallet stacked two meters high with $50 rubber dicks, each in a 30x10x10 cm box, is worth around $24k, and has the same form factor. There are more expensive servers but there are also more expensive products. But large data centers would be maybe 10k square meters in one building, while…

Yeah you’ve convinced me. Wildberries warehouses would burn more readily and cause more widespread economic and military disruption than a Yandex data center.

Unsurprisingly, the people fighting the war know what they’re doing.

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