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Norway imposes near ban on AI in elementary school

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Re: Norway imposes near ban on AI in elementary school

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Post by chadgpt3 »

cornholio wrote: post #514
rTX5CMRXIfFG wrote: post #421

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But how do you know that letting kids use AI at a way earlier age is the right way to equip them for the world that they would live in? You don't even know what that world will be like, so you can't even draw the conclusion that teaching them AI today will create career success in the future. And then there's the other solid supporting arguments: - Humans today were able to comprehend and use AI as soon as ChatGPT be…

The point is that knowing what you don't know allows you to hedge your bets on events far into the future; my child will need to become productive 20 years from now and maintain it for 40-50 years. So, it's a bit like trying to educate a kid born in the 60s for the web era, you can't and you shouldn't even try. What you can do though, is to offer them broad exposure to things that are interesting to them and their ge…

How do you know it's a moral panic and it isn't actually causing brain rot?

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Post by chadgpt3 »

tacomagick wrote: post #297
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #294

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That's precisely what needs to happen. That said, my youngest just reads gaming wikis and hangs out on Discords for roguelike video games and this somehow consumes 900% of their attention span.

I'd say that's one of the best ways to spend time. It's okay to have a hobby even if it's just rougelike games. Much better than doomscrolling on Tiktok in every way.

Discords for xyz are as much universal hangout spaces as they are about xyz

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Post by kakacik »

himata4113 wrote: post #407

The fundemental problem is motivation not AI and this is simply the result of a larger societal shift that happened to correlate with the advent of AI. Personally I've never done any homework or assignments, when I was outside school it was over. However, this motivated me to do really well in tests which in-turn made me extremely active during the limited time I had in school and I became pretty damn efficient at ab…

> I will recognize that I am a bit special

Should have started with that. No, your experience doesn't easily translate into some general good advice, you are probably way-above-average bright. I for example went through old school education with tons of home work and benefited greatly from having enough time to comprehend harder topics more deeply, without rush. Memorizing is another aspect, my mind is slow in that so I took my time, trying to remember everything at class' pace would not bring results.

Having some homework ain't something horrible, it became daily habit as part of education and I certainly don't see it negatively in hindsight. It also teaches things like a bit of self-discipline, a trait thats very rare in young these days, and probably the most important personality trait in overall long term life success. It doesn't come on its own, but can be taught/self-taught quite a bit over time. Again, in hindsight, those similarly mentally equipped but lacking it, after few decades, performed in life worse to much worse (I don't mean just money but overall life situation and happiness/fulfillment)

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Post by Moldoteck »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #288
JimsonYang wrote: post #236

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> Facing a broad decline in education test scores, the government in 2024 banned smartphones from schools and has given teachers back more powers to enforce discipline in the classroom. I remember seeing an nyt article where there was mixed results on cell phone bans. While they increased socialization among students, the school didnt see better test scores. We'll have to see if a ban on AI can improve test scores-I…

Here in Ontario they "banned" phones in class/school and the teens just ignore it and the teachers are unable/scared to enforce it. As parents we've tried over and over with both our kids to lay down the law -- including taking phones away, consequences etc -- but the attitude is intense with both them and their peers and enforcement becomes very difficult once they're out of "child account" parental control range. I…

the next movement would be blocking LTE/5G during courses. No social media = dumb phone

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Post by lotsofpulp »

ifwinterco wrote: post #457
cornholio wrote: post #391

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The counterargument is that kids will live in a world different from our own. For example, in many countries children lost the ability to write cursive; that used to be a critical skill comparable to literacy itself. But in our current society, that's no longer the case and you can be very successful without it, but there are other skills, such as using technology, that became critical. Any definitive claim to know w…

From a UK perspective it's very weird that kids in America don't learn to write joined-up. How can you write sufficiently fast in an English or History exam (where you have to write a whole essay in limited time) if you're writing one letter at a time like a 6 year old?

> How can you write sufficiently fast in an English or History exam (where you have to write a whole essay in limited time) if you're writing one letter at a time like a 6 year old?

You use an ipad and keyboard or some other similar device. The only times in my life I have had to use cursive were in elementary school, pretty useless skill to have in this day and age.

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Post by delis-thumbs-7e »

tarkin2 wrote: post #385

The number of people--adults included--who, when don't know something they could easily think about, resort to some AI bot rather than thinking, and developing their mind and intelligence, is staggering. Giving kids a reason not to think and develop their intelligence seems a pathway to even further declines in intelligence. Seems a quick route to dementia in old age too: if you fail to exercise and maintain somethin…

If you have fast sugars and nice fat available at you any time of day and night, why to eat healthy? If you can spend your whole life getting easy dopamine hots from games and social media, why to exercise, study, work or do anything at all.

And we have a little bot that does your thinking for you, so that we will become a society of dumb fat morons who just fill online spaces with whayever hate speech our future fascist dictators tell the AI to be the correct opinion.

This is worse than 1984.

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