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U.S. to dismantle system tracking Atlantic currents that are at risk of collapse

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> I will remember from now on that you can compare war to Lebron playing in a championship game but not to him playing in a pickup game. The stakes of a given situation matter to the disposition of the participants. Is this not obvious? I'm really confused as to what your larger point is. Nobody disagrees that the US military can kill untold numbers of people and cause untold damage in Iran and the wider region. Was…

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> And you have an anti-US motive

Wanting the US to be successful in worthy endeavors was considered pro-US when I was born. Call me a conservative if you want because I think we should still support that way of thinking. But I don't see myself changing to support failure just because the US is doing it.

> how come nobody is talking about it?

Nobody is talking about the war? I suggest you revise your media diet.

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You are, I see, a member of the "reality-based community" as Karl Rove presciently put it back in 2004. You live in a mental space where you critically evaluate facts and make decisions aimed at maximizing your outcome in life. You would do well to explore this great nation of ours and realize that a wild and terrifyingly large number of its inhabitants travel in an almost unimaginably different headspace. The men wh…

> belch out thick black lib-ownin' ball-crushin' smoke, damaging their own engine in the process. The black smoke belching is caused by a fuel rich air mixture that leads to incomplete combustion and is pumped out of the engine as a burning cloud of smog. While this can cause problems with carbon build-up in the combustion chambers, it's not especially difficult to clean that out before the engine suffers permanent d…

>Most often the worst case is fouled spark plugs, which are wear items meant to be replaced at regular intervals.

You do realize we are talking about diesel's here, they don't use spark plugs. They use Glow plugs because diesel engines don't rely on spark to cause combustion, its just heat and pressure.

Nor do they rely on downstream oxygen sensors like a gasoline powered car. They just use tuning software to up the turbo boost pressures and adjust the fuel mapping. Some guys literally just have a button to hit to briefly swap to an alternative fuel map that maxes out those fuel injectors briefly.

The main problem with rolling coal is damage caused by the extra exhaust temperatures from dumping extra fuel into the combustion process. Plus the fouling up of entire exhaust system over time. Sometimes causing fires within the exhaust system (see Ford's 6.0L Power Stroke meltdowns on youtube)

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Those who voted for this: are you happy here?

No, climate is perhaps my least aligned issue with this administration. I may end up voting Democrats next time, we'll have to see how bad their platform is again. I just wish I could vote to protect our climate and our borders at once.

What makes you think the Republicans are trying to protect the borders? From what I can see they're not trying to do that. They're just trying to make a permanent underclass of scare workers who they can pay poverty wages to. I only really see raids in cities and not the farms or countryside abattoirs that hire lots of illegal immigrants. If they really cared about illegal immigration then just remove the pull factor. Go after the employers of illegal immigrants. Make it a requirement for them to confirm immigration status before hiring anyone. Actual consequences for hiring illegal immigrants would rapidly remove the pull factors.

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#524
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I’m not American, so forgive my confusion, but are you really saying that you think DEI policies are not only racist, but more harmful and racist than profiling people based on the colour of the their skin or country of origin, then beating them into vans and throwing them into prison camps, including children? And are you also saying you are Asian and yet somehow believe you and your children are going to be exempt…

Yes. Yes. I'm a citizen of the country, they are not. In how a nation should be run, preferences of citizens are more important than the preferences of the rest of the world. I don't make a claim about my ancestors' migration being OK or not. It's kind of like asking an Italian, "Why was it okay for your Roman ancestors to take this land, but it's not okay for Turkey to take it now?" I will say that it's strange that…

> I'm a citizen of the country, they are not.

May I ask how you became a citizen? Was it by birth or are you first generation? For those without family who are already citizens, how are they supposed to become citizens without entering the country first and being targeted by ICE?

> I want to say to them, "How did that work out for the previous inhabitants?"

Then I take it that you are pro native American, and would agree they have more right to the land than yourself, and thus their preferences should be above yours? If not, why not?

> DEI is worse than ICE because

You skipped the most important questions there. I’ll ask again:

> Could you explain exactly which racism is harmful and which is harmless? Does it depend on the race?

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#525
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The republicans can have 1 senator in the senate and they somehow shuck and jive to get their way. They never fucking lose in implementing their outright evil. Break some rules, use strategy, set up some game pieces. Do something, anything. The democrats couldn’t even get a Supreme Court justice seated with 6 months to go for the next election.

The last time Democrats had a full majority they passed the most consequential climate legislation ever. The time before that, health care reform. Republicans couldn’t do anything to stop it. It’s how the system works. It’s not some movie script.

Pretty tepid health care reform, pretty tepid climate change legislation. These things are described as hard fought victories, and "the biggest ever". But they still are pretty mediocre capitalist, corrupt systems driven pieces of legislation that stop far short of actual wellbeing for the governed.

The Dems are excited to move .01% further than they ever have before and call it "consequential". Dems are the party of "we won't say gay marriage is good, but we'll offer domestic partnerships... in some states" as if it's some grand gesture.

The party needs to wake up, stop accepting these garbage barons, and starting building policies that inspire people.

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#526
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> 1 senator… Oh, please, that’s not true. But yeah, you need 60 seats there in order to just ram things through. Right now Democrats don’t even have a plurality of the voting public so it’s not surprising that they are completely powerless. > Democrats couldn’t even get a SC Justice… On this one though I’ll fully agree with you, they were 100% ratfucked on Garland’s nomination. In no universe was that more than 0% et…

51 votes can get rid of the filibuster. You don't need 60.

Democrats don’t have 51 either, because they don’t believe in persuading voters anymore, just performing for their most dedicated fans.

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Yes. Yes. I'm a citizen of the country, they are not. In how a nation should be run, preferences of citizens are more important than the preferences of the rest of the world. I don't make a claim about my ancestors' migration being OK or not. It's kind of like asking an Italian, "Why was it okay for your Roman ancestors to take this land, but it's not okay for Turkey to take it now?" I will say that it's strange that…

> I'm a citizen of the country, they are not. May I ask how you became a citizen? Was it by birth or are you first generation? For those without family who are already citizens, how are they supposed to become citizens without entering the country first and being targeted by ICE? > I want to say to them, "How did that work out for the previous inhabitants?" Then I take it that you are pro native American, and would a…

> > Could you explain exactly which racism is harmful and which is harmless? Does it depend on the race?

It's a utilitarian question. Degrees of harm, and what they achieve...

> Then I take it that you are pro native American, and would agree they have more right to the land than yourself, and thus their preferences should be above yours? If not, why not?

I don't understand how you got there from my comment. Native Americans are a cautionary tale of immigration. They certainly had more right to the land at the time they lost the land. But we aren't giving it back. They lost, they got fucked, it sucks for them. It doesn't follow that I should then be willing for my own self/people to lose and get fucked. I am not voting against my family's self interest because I currently benefit from some unrelated people getting fucked hundreds of years ago. This isn't a philosophy class. It's real stakes. It could be war. Nobody's preferences are above mine in the voting booth, that's what a vote is. I'm voting to not get fucked. You can vote to get yourself fucked if you want that, out of some guilt.

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#528
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> I'm a citizen of the country, they are not. May I ask how you became a citizen? Was it by birth or are you first generation? For those without family who are already citizens, how are they supposed to become citizens without entering the country first and being targeted by ICE? > I want to say to them, "How did that work out for the previous inhabitants?" Then I take it that you are pro native American, and would a…

> > Could you explain exactly which racism is harmful and which is harmless? Does it depend on the race? It's a utilitarian question. Degrees of harm, and what they achieve... > Then I take it that you are pro native American, and would agree they have more right to the land than yourself, and thus their preferences should be above yours? If not, why not? I don't understand how you got there from my comment. Native A…

As I told you at the start, I’m not American, I don’t vote in your elections. I’m merely trying to understand the people who do vote as you do, especially seeing the apparent contradictions and conflicts of interest. And I thank you for engaging.

I don’t understand why you believe that being a citizen protects you, seeing as ICE has already proven that it doesn’t by arresting and killing US citizens.

https://www.opb.org/article/2025/10/16/immigration-ice-arres...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/22/us-citizens-...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/09/10/immi...

https://www.democracynow.org/2026/1/16/ice_tactics

Why are you not afraid of that? Is the colour of your skin lighter than the one that is typically profiled? What do you think of ICE capturing and killing citizens? And how does capturing citizens “protect your borders”?

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#529
post #528

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> > Could you explain exactly which racism is harmful and which is harmless? Does it depend on the race? It's a utilitarian question. Degrees of harm, and what they achieve... > Then I take it that you are pro native American, and would agree they have more right to the land than yourself, and thus their preferences should be above yours? If not, why not? I don't understand how you got there from my comment. Native A…

As I told you at the start, I’m not American, I don’t vote in your elections. I’m merely trying to understand the people who do vote as you do, especially seeing the apparent contradictions and conflicts of interest. And I thank you for engaging. I don’t understand why you believe that being a citizen protects you, seeing as ICE has already proven that it doesn’t by arresting and killing US citizens. https://www.opb.…

I mean this with good intentions: the news you're reading about our country is sensationalist propaganda. This sort of thing almost never happens, and every account you read of is lacking context or information that makes it a lot less bad than the news wants it to sound. For example "ICE detains 5 year old" is always something like, the only parent was illegal, with the kid, and detained, so they obviously couldn't leave a 5 year old alone at home and had to take him somewhere. Every headline and every sentence you read is crafted to sound as bad as possible and omit any normalizing context.

I'm not afraid of ICE because 1. They are not targeting people who look like me as far as I know, 2. If I did look Mexican, I'm still extremely unlikely to encounter them, much more likely to die in a car crash etc.

What I think of ICE... Obviously the situation isn't good and I don't like the bad things happening. As far as I know the only deaths were caused by situations I'd never be in, like intentionally obstructing them with my car, refusing to move, then suddenly trying to run them over. Or physically obstructing an ongoing arrest in a big mob. Is it good those people died, no, but I'm not afraid of it because I wouldn't be doing those things.

I consider the current situation with ICE to be an overcorrection to decades of anger about unchecked immigration. The right has been begging to reduce immigration for so long, especially illegal immigration, and it never happens. The left vocally supports illegal immigrants most of the time, with sanctuary cities etc, refusing to enforce the law let alone strengthen the law. Finally the right gets a win largely on immigration sentiment, and this is the result. In my opinion if the left hadn't been so gleeful about protecting illegals all these years, the right would have much less of a taste for this situation. I think it's sort of like, well we tried the easy way and you wouldn't even follow the law, now we're doing it the hard way.

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#530
post #528

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I told you at the start, I’m not American, I don’t vote in your elections. I’m merely trying to understand the people who do vote as you do, especially seeing the apparent contradictions and conflicts of interest. And I thank you for engaging. I don’t understand why you believe that being a citizen protects you, seeing as ICE has already proven that it doesn’t by arresting and killing US citizens. https://www.opb.…

I mean this with good intentions: the news you're reading about our country is sensationalist propaganda. This sort of thing almost never happens, and every account you read of is lacking context or information that makes it a lot less bad than the news wants it to sound. For example "ICE detains 5 year old" is always something like, the only parent was illegal, with the kid, and detained, so they obviously couldn't…

Despite not being American myself, I do have family who is. I don’t recall the exact date they became citizens, but some time before Trump’s first term. I also have friends who are American, born and raised, living in different parts of the country. Some I have met in person, others I haven’t. When I see some crazy news I usually talk to them. They do provide context but never once referred to this ICE situation as lies or propaganda. My family members have expressed concern for their own safety and are considering fleeing the country despite being citizens.

In other words, I’m not simply relying on the news for information about what is going on.

> They are not targeting people who look like me as far as I know

But if they were, wouldn’t you want people who didn’t look like you to fight for your rights too?

> If I did look Mexican, I'm still extremely unlikely to encounter them, much more likely to die in a car crash etc.

Not sure that’s true, but it would be an interesting statistic to figure out. For a fair comparison, we can’t simply take the general likelihood of dying in a car crash VS being targeted by ICE, we’d have to do something like “in period X when ICE was in county Y, how many Mexican-looking people were targeted VS were in car accidents”.

I’ll reiterate I appreciate you answering my questions. I hope it is clear I am genuinely trying to understand your positions.

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