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Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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I enjoy my Kagi usage but there are still a few things I use the !g or !gm bangs for. Shopping and finding locations is definitely one.

Yes, I am also hopelessly tied to Google Maps. Which I think is relatively distinct from web search, IMO.

What are you missing from a decent OpenStreetMap frontend like OsmAnd+? Only business metadata or something else too?

Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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Are you seriously telling me that ChatGPT is less accurate than Google as a search engine?

I’m saying that when you start by dismissing a large group of people with a range of views as hysterical it’s pretty clear that you’re not here for any intellect reasons but rather just to defend a technology which you’ve incorporated into your self-identity.

“The accuracy issues are real” my main point was that ChatGPT is more accurate than Google or kagi. If you can’t even believe this or you need sources, there’s no debate. You are ignorant of the strengths of LLMs.

Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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I must be the only person in this website who is happy with the AI Overview feature. It messes up sometimes (very rarely) but so do websites. And between ads, cookie popups, newsletter popups, notification permission popups, websites with a high Time to First Byte, and all the useless filler around the content, websites are a nightmare to browse. I would say that for almost all of my searches the AI Overview feature…

Genuinely, I’d recommend you spend a day manually verifying every AI answer you otherwise would have just trusted. I suspect what you’ll find is actually that you cannot bring yourself to do it. I’ve found myself trusting AI answers sometimes, despite knowing they’re usually false, and after some introspection I realized my subconscious was acting on three factors: I wouldn’t actually be harmed by being wrong about t…

I think Derek Sivers came up with a good first response.

> When I’m yearning to search, I ask myself why.

> What answer am I hoping to hear?

> What answer would be a surprise?

> What would I do in each case?

https://sive.rs/off23

Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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I don’t see anyone talking about yacy. https://github.com/yacy/yacy_search_server I mean when we have solutions like hister and yacy that is so privacy conscious why are we still not using them to full extent. I understand it’s not easy, but this is post llm era :)

Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

#525

While there are good alternatives like DuckDuckGo, Mojeek, or Ecosia, there are also ad-free alternatives, where you're not the product, like Kagi [1] or Uruky [2] (I co-founded Uruky, which is also currently and for the foreseeable future "No-AI")! [1]: https://kagi.com [2]: https://uruky.com

Thanks for sharing this, I did not know about uruky. 5 euros no ads and unlimited take my money :) do you have pricing for agents search ?

Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

#526

Ohi, I'm the author of the open source Searx metasearch engine. I'm working on a self-hosted search service called Hister with the same goal when I started Searx development: reduce dependence on online search engines. Hister is a full text indexer for websites and local files which automatically saves all the visited pages rendered by your browser. It provides a flexible web (and terminal) search interface & query l…

Noob question;

So if i only use the Firefox extension, all pages Hister will "fetch and store" will have gone through my browsers content blocker (uBlock Origin) before being saved ?

Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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> didn't realize Kagi had no aspirations to build their own general purpose index Kagi employee here. We're actively working on building our own indexes beyond the limited ones we have now, not just a general index but also purpose built indexes for things like programming, etc.

So you will stop buying Yandex data at some point?

I care more from breadth of the dataset than politics in my search engine, thank you very much.

For everybody else there’d Google I guess.

Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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The small thing that annoys me is that I am 100% sure somebody at Apple has a directive: never allow Kagi search integration. I am truly baffled (and annoyed) about this fact.

On iOS, there is an app called xSearch that integrates into Safari and sneakily hacks around the limited search engine options by watching your browsing history for queries to the search engine you've selected in Safari, then immediately rewriting the URL and navigating to the search engine you actually want. Obviously this has security implications, but I don't ordinarily search for anything sketchy on my iPhone so…

No need for a third party app. Kagi itself has an extension to intercept queries sent to Google and redirecting them on their website.

Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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Kagi is the only search engine that actually provides me with results comparable to plain Google. I do not need to adapt my searches or learn some sort of syntax to avoid pinterest or other offenders. DDG, Bing & Qwant are just not good enough for my use.

In my case kagi is far superior to google. Duckduckgo is a middleground (closer to kagi than to google)

Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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I am indeed looking into an alternative to Google recently, but more because of my need of a good search mcp server for my coding agents. I am thinking about either exa or kagi, but I have no idea which one is better. Also exa seems not quite frequently mentioned in the community, wondering why.

I've had generally good experiences with Exa, I use it as an MCP in all my various coding tools and use the API whenever I build an AI thing that needs search. Also an extremely happy Kagi user but can't speak to their API, haven't tried it yet.

kagi seems to provide a mcp server as well although maybe no direct API access
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