There needs to be a repository of these instructions for as many vehicles as possible.
I'd like to know how to do this for a 2022 CR-V.
Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid
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Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid
#522Earlier quoted context omitted.
The car probably doesn't have perfect knowledge of speed limits across Europe.
The car reads the speed limit signs too, they don't just rely on GPS.
My VW wrongly reads a speed limit off of frontage roads instead of my actual road every single day. When the car was new I tried the speed limit beeper just to see and it isn't worth it.
The speed limit display is great for simple highways and I appreciate the warning when I reach a speed zone, but not ready for anywhere complicated.
Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid
#523"They have always-on modems."
Who pays for the cellular data plan
"Important: Even after the modem is removed, if you connect your phone to the car via Bluetooth then the car will use your phone as an internet connection and send all the same telemetry data back to Toyota."
Thats quite sneaky. On by default, no option to disable
Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid
#524Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think this is interesting because it collides my intuition from the pre-adtech world with the post. Surely collecting telemetry on nearly every mile you drive could never be a sensible use of time or money, right? What kind of insanity is that? But then of course I know that every click on every website is recorded for all time and that data must be many thousands of times less valuable.
Worked in enterprise for most of my career, uniformly the business side asks for every single piece of data possible to be collected and kept in case they need it. They basically never need 95% of it and most of it is never looked at again. That 5% that does gets used ends up been collapsed to a single 100,000ft view somewhere that the decision makers in the company can see it and immediately treat as gospel . Which…
if it doesn't impact the stock price, does it matter?
Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid
#525Earlier quoted context omitted.
And once you've gotten rid of Google and Apple, your telecom company tracks you, your CC payments help track you and even cameras in public do. It's hard to not want to throw your hands in the air screaming "whatever" when almost everything you use in public is somehow used to track you either as you move around, or in the future.
1987 4runner, no phone, use cash.
Increasingly headed in this direction. Already have the old Toyota and use cash. I've been saying for years that advertising ruined the internet, we're getting to the point where surveillance is ruining computing.
Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid
#526Earlier quoted context omitted.
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I did read the law. Did you? The actual eCall specs are not in there. They are in EN 16102:2011 which is not free, I don't have it, I won't pay for it, and probably you won't either. But based on my experiece: - GPS cold start requires 1-2 minutes to get a fix. That's too long in case of a crash. That means GPS is started at the same time as the car. - A-GPS is better, but not sufficiently fast in case of a crash eit…
What a bizarrely off-topic response!
Nothing you have written is anything to do with the eCall 112 system not being permitted to track you and share your personal data. Again, stop spreading FUD!
Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid
#527Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you think your Tesla is somehow more "private" then my pre-2010's ICE car with no tracking electronics, then you are delusional.
With no antennas, can a Tesla transmit anything at all? BTW I don’t own a Tesla. My car is like yours, a pre-2010 gas minivan with zero tracking. Our phones and roadside Flock cameras still rat out both kinds of vehicles. I suspect soon cameras in other cars will also be reporting our whereabouts. Absolute privacy is almost impossible on public roads.
Tesla drivers generally use the phone key, which generally comes with its own set of privacy concerns.
I’d also be surprised if the car didn’t use the phone key connection to trickle some metrics when cellular is unavailable.
Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid
#528Earlier quoted context omitted.
GPS is receive only. If you've disabled the ability to send telemetry, there should be no reason to be concerned about the GPS antenna.
If it keeps collecting telemetry it could upload it later if it ever gets the chance. Better it isn't collected in the first place.
Storage space is limited. There's a black box for accidents that keeps a rolling window of data. That's not the dcm. Outside of that, how much telemetry can you store? What's the retention when there's no cellular connection? And importantly, where is it stored?
My guess is that the dcm, having a battery back up and a cellular connection, is also the telemetry store. No evidence other than it's the cheapest and most reliable way to do it.
At least for Subaru, the dcm also connects to all antenna so removing it disconnects gps antenna. For other cars, I'd still expect removing the dcm to be good enough for 95% of people given the current expectation from car companies that no one would want to remove the dcm.
Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid
#529Just a note about Toyota specifically - There are many blog posts and articles out there alleging that Toyota shares your data with insurance companies. As I own two Toyota's I have read through these carefully and consistently the theme is that the owner was opted into this program without knowing it (likely by the sales person clicking through setup steps to enable every feature). If you are not opted in, I have se…
On the 23 4Runner, telemetry is enabled by default. You get warning stickers but other than that, it's just on. No app, no other indicator. Had the dealer removed that one sticker, there would be no obvious indicator
Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid
#530Just a note about Toyota specifically - There are many blog posts and articles out there alleging that Toyota shares your data with insurance companies. As I own two Toyota's I have read through these carefully and consistently the theme is that the owner was opted into this program without knowing it (likely by the sales person clicking through setup steps to enable every feature). If you are not opted in, I have se…
I've bought multiple Toyotas from the same dealer, and each time the sales person has been overly aggressive about setting up the app and connecting to the car. The first time I let them do it to a point as I had not seen what it did, but had to prevent them from syncing contacts. After that, I had to be very stern about not needing help to set up an app I was never going to use. I don't know if they are used to neop…
I asked the Subaru dealer to not set up an account for me. They did anyway with an email that wasn't mine. So they gave someone else control of my car over the Internet after I asked them not to even bother.
I only found out because Subaru sent me mail that had the email address on it.