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Princeton mandates proctoring for in-person exams, upending 133 year precedent

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People blame AI but in reality it's more about America transitioning from a high-trust society to a low-trust one.

The fact that they didn't have any kind of exam proctor up until now shows that they actually wanted students to cheat and not get caught, and now they've changed their mind for some reason. Minimal role enforcement is not "low trust" Or maybe it is, but it's good.

Re: Princeton mandates proctoring for in-person exams, upending 133 year precedent

#522

People blame AI but in reality it's more about America transitioning from a high-trust society to a low-trust one.

The fact that they didn't have any kind of exam proctor up until now shows that they actually wanted students to cheat and not get caught, and now they've changed their mind for some reason. Minimal role enforcement is not "low trust" Or maybe it is, but it's good.

no proctors is insane, seeing as I've experienced a number of people trying to cheat off of me in proctored exams (and I was not a particularly good student)

Re: Princeton mandates proctoring for in-person exams, upending 133 year precedent

#523

People blame AI but in reality it's more about America transitioning from a high-trust society to a low-trust one.

Did you get that idea from here? https://www.persuasion.community/p/getting-to-denmark Francis Fukuyama wrote in a recent blog post: "The United States is no longer a high-trust country. We must regain what’s been lost." I object to these "wide brush" social commentaries. Normally, they are written by powerful/famous men and frequently negative. I call it "Packaged Doomerism". The US is so huge that is hard to genera…

Was it ever a high trust country? Our founding stories are various rebellions and a lawless west.

Re: Princeton mandates proctoring for in-person exams, upending 133 year precedent

#524

You mean currently exams aren't proctored?! I went to the University of Toronto and can't recall a single exam which wasn't.

It's weird, right? The US is just hands down strange in some regards to little procedural things that are important but also easy to implement, and yet for whatever reason don't do and make a big deal over it when it's a complete non-affaire in other countries. Like voter ID. It's not some partisan issue. None of the political parties are fighting Elections Canada over it and its been around my whole life. Its just n…

I went to university in the US and all exams were proctored. I'm pretty sure that's the case for the majority of universities, this is the first I've heard of non proctored exam

Re: Princeton mandates proctoring for in-person exams, upending 133 year precedent

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This is just racist. At Princeton, 56 undergrads are Chinese [0]. That's about 1%. Not "half the student body". 0: https://davisic.princeton.edu/sites/g/files/toruqf2371/files...

I don't think you know what racist means.

Either way, international students make up a huge percentage of the student population, as evidenced by your documentation. And in fact, it's too funny to me that you specify undergrad - keeps you from mentioning that there were 533 Chinese grad students, nearly 5x more than the the country with the 2nd most grad students, India.

Re: Princeton mandates proctoring for in-person exams, upending 133 year precedent

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Literally bought pumpkins to carve, firewood for the stove, and a carton of eggs from unmanned ‘honor system’ roadside stands last year. All three made it easy, venmo code posted, boop, on your way.

> Venmo code posted This is the mark of a low-trust society masking its issues with technological band-aids. In high-trust countries, you still pay exclusively with cash at these unattended roadside stands.

No, it's just a cash replacement, the trust lies in expecting people to make the payment in the first place rather than just steal unattended goods.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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If I ran HN this would be a bannable comment. I understand the importance of accountability - but we're discussing systemic issues, not an isolated memory from 30 years ago which is subject to the corruption of time.

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Re: Princeton mandates proctoring for in-person exams, upending 133 year precedent

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Literally bought pumpkins to carve, firewood for the stove, and a carton of eggs from unmanned ‘honor system’ roadside stands last year. All three made it easy, venmo code posted, boop, on your way.

> Venmo code posted This is the mark of a low-trust society masking its issues with technological band-aids. In high-trust countries, you still pay exclusively with cash at these unattended roadside stands.

How is making it easier to pay (cash is not as commonly carried) a mark of a low-trust society? The important part here is that the roadside stand is still unattended - it's still up to the purchaser to purchase instead of stealing.
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