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Re: Grok 4.3

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Post by Scroll_Swe »

SecretDreams wrote: post #380
Scroll_Swe wrote: post #368

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>Your first comment is effectively "the ends justified the means". Yes? Welcome to the real world. The Nazis developed technologies that Western Europe, USA and the Soviet Union all wanted. In your view what should the US have done? Let the Soviets poach them all up and get better at tech and maybe take over Europe even more? >I think this is a perspective more easily held when your own life isn't impacted by "the me…

> Would Linux have "just happened anyway" without Linus Torvalds? Would Windows have happened without Bill Gates? Facebook without Mark? Clean sewage without Joseph Bazalgette? Mobile X-Rays without Marie Curie? This is in reaction to your Werner Van Braun comment. Do you really think the USA set him to make rockets and engines because he was just a random engineer? No, some people are truly geniuses, and their one i…

Alright so nothing matters. Yes all those things are a team thing but in the end a person can change history.

>The rest of your post is relatively jaded and incompatible with my own views, so I'm happy to call it here. Spend some time traveling the world and finding love.

The typical deflection into my or anyones personal life who disagrees with them when they are out of arguments.

I have traveled and it only solidifies my view.

Yes, sure, people can be nice all over the planet.

But do you want to live in South Africa or Switzerland?

I remember going to Kreta in Greece and we cannot flush the toilet paper. Why? Bad pipes. Why? Some guy took the wrong decision and in my country some guy took the right decision. Simple as that.

Accept that some things are better than others.

Re: Grok 4.3

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Post by renegade-otter »

nojonestownpls wrote: post #479
renegade-otter wrote: post #156

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Pardon me for feeling icky when giving money to the guy who is obsessed with "white replacement". I am old and cynical - I have no illusions, but I also have my limits and a semblance of moral compass. We, as citizens, can vote with ballots, but also with money. And, no, I am not someone who keeps boycotting companies for every little grievance (was on the receiving end of that nonsense twice).

Do you not use any major provider's AI at all? Because the other big options are from companies actively aiding a genocide (Google), or companies clamouring to be the tools used in future war crimes (OpenAI and Anthropic - the latter only attempted to put weak muzzles on it, they're still heavily involved). Every one of them is involved in actively involved in destroying non-white people's lives and livelihoods, peop…

As I said, I have no illusions about the "morals" of corporations, especially in this post-shame world, but one has to have lines. Musk is a uniquely vile human being who seems to revel in the suffering of others. It's much different from "good business is where you find it".

Re: Grok 4.3

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Post by slopinthebag »

IAmGraydon wrote: post #437

Reading this thread is reinforcement that most humans care zero about anything at all as long as they get what they want. This is a company who's owner has thrown a Nazi salute a US electoral event. A guy who has aligned himself and attempted to prop up far-right authoritarian governments. A guy who has done absolutely untold damage to our country via DOGE to kill investigations into his shady business practices, amo…

If you actually believe what you just wrote that would preclude you from using any LLMs produced. Maaaaybe Mistral?

Chinese models are backed by the CCP

OpenAI sells their models to be used by the US government to kill people

Anthropic sells their models to companies like Palantir to spy and also probably be used to kill people

Google is Google

Are there any AI companies not morally tarnished?

Re: Grok 4.3

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Post by miohtama »

base698 wrote: post #308
artdigital wrote: post #17

Grok is my favorite model for chatting, and my favorite voice mode. It seems to be the only voice mode that isn't routing to a extremely cheap model (like Haiku), and has been the highest quality out of all the frontier ones. When you subscribe to SuperGrok you can also create a "council" of agents, each with their own system prompt and when you ask something, they will all get asked in parallel to come to a conclusi…

Starting to like the lack of memory. Claude remembers I have a grill and will interject in conversations about how maybe this thing would go well with BBQ when it's unrelated or just also about food.

I like my Python with hot sauce.

Re: Grok 4.3

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Post by culi »

Petersipoi wrote: post #519
culi wrote: post #427

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It's being biased on purpose. Musk has intervened multiple times when he believed Grok's responses were too "woke" or "leftist". https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/02/technology/elon-musk-grok... In response to Grok saying that the "woke mind virus is often exaggerated" the prompt was tweaked so that Grok now says "The woke mind virus 'poses significant risks'" If you truly believed in what your comment states then you…

Have you ever written a comment about how any of the other LLMs are editorializing in favor of the left, and how that's a problem? Because if you have, I'd love to see the evidence of your intellectual consistency. But something tells me you're just doing the same thing that you're calling out

We don't have any proof of LLMs being editorialized in favor of the left.

We have clear proof of Grok and we also literally have a White House Executive Order mandating LLMs be editorialized to fight "woke"

Your version of reality is exactly skewed to what's actually going on.

Re: Grok 4.3

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Post by Scroll_Swe »

renegade-otter wrote: post #371
Scroll_Swe wrote: post #354

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"I know who Hugo Boss caters to but, damn, they make good threads." - Someone in the 1930s, probably.

Yes exactly.

They are a leading brand to this day.

I feel like you are disproving your own point?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Boss

"uoooh they worked for NAZIS!!!!" okay, and? The clothes are good.

Re: Grok 4.3

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Post by LeoPanthera »

Drakexor wrote: post #520
LeoPanthera wrote: post #481

This is barely on-topic so I'll keep it ultra-brief: I believe it is unethical to financially support Elon Musk. I won't do it, and I'm sad that so many do.

Do you say this on every Grok/Tesla/SpaceX post or has something here prompted you differently?

I do say it on every (or most) of the posts I see. There actually aren't that many. I also don't read HN every day.

Re: Grok 4.3

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Post by gertlabs »

Grok 4.3 is a unique model in our tests. It's one of the fastest models, and its responses are far smaller/token dense than other models with comparable performance.

However, its overall coding reasoning ability is not competitive with the big April releases, and neither Grok 4.20 nor Grok 4.3 have been able to significantly push the intelligence frontier since Grok 4. Grok 4.3 is better in agentic workloads, and a fair analogy would be that it's capabilities are approximately GPT 5.1 / Gemini 3 Pro Preview level, but much faster and cheaper. So definitely a solid release in its own ways. Many of the recent open weights releases are smarter, but slower.

Full benchmarks at https://gertlabs.com/rankings

Re: Grok 4.3

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Post by DonHopkins »

ReptileMan wrote: post #386
renegade-otter wrote: post #371

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"I know who Hugo Boss caters to but, damn, they make good threads." - Someone in the 1930s, probably.

If the only people openly caring about the future of Europe are the Hugo Boss fans, then all the people caring about said future will go to them. If the far right are the only people with sane immigration and asylum policies, I have no choice but to vote for them, even if I disagree with everything else they preach.

Your racism makes you so easily manipulated.
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