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DeepSeek v4

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Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by dzonga »

jari_mustonen wrote: post #239

Open Source as it gets in this space, top notch developer documentation, and prices insanely low, while delivering frontier model capabilities. So basically, this is from hackers to hackers. Loving it! Also, note that there's zero CUDA dependency. It runs entirely on Huawei chips. In other words, Chinese ecosystem has delivered a complete AI stack. Like it or not, that's a big news. But what's there not to like when…

Jensen Huang said this in his recent interview - that China has the best/most engineers, it has the chip making ability, it's a good thing they wanna build on a Nvidia stack - but if you push them they will build on an all Chinese stack - but the interviewer was being a numb head who kept parroting the propaganda of Western tech supremacy

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by dnnddidiej »

randomgermanguy wrote: post #514
Bombthecat wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In six month deepseek won't be sota anymore und usage will be wayyyy down.

Only comparing on SOTA scores (ignoring price etc.) is like choosing your daily-driver by looking at who makes the fastest sports-car...

Not really. SOTA vs non SOTA is "can I get my coding work actually done today" vs. "this can do customer support chat"

It is like car vs. kick scooter.

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by Oxlamarr »

The speed of progress here is wild. It feels like the hard part is shifting from having access to a strong model to actually building trustworthy systems around it.

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by techsystems »

Danox wrote: post #426
sigmoid10 wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still not sure how I feel about China of all places to control the only alternative AI stack, but I guess it's better than leaving everything to the US alone. If China ever feels emboldened enough to go for Taiwan and the US descends into complete chaos, the rest of the world running on AI will be at the mercy of authoritarian regimes. At the very least you can be sure noone is in this for the good of the people anym…

Isn’t Mistral close in the ballpark?

There are no European models that come close. It's Korean models, then a UAE model K2, then Mistral.

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by Palmik »

Bombthecat wrote: post #291
schneehertz wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This price is high even because of the current shortage of inference cards available to DeepSeek; they claimed in their press release that once the Ascend 950 computing cards are launched in the second half of the year, the price of the Pro version will drop significantly

In six month deepseek won't be sota anymore und usage will be wayyyy down.

Or there will be DSv4.1/2/3 ;)

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by mark33vh »

Imanari wrote: post #191

Just tested it via openrounter in the Pi Coding agent and it regularly fails to use the read and write tool correctly, very disappointing. Anyone know a fix besides prompting "always use the provided tools instead of writing your own call"

Yeah hope they fix this for PI

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by nsoonhui »

chenzhekl wrote: post #423

It's interesting that they mentioned in the release notes: "Limited by the capacity of high-end computational resources, the current throughput of the Pro model remains constrained. We expect its pricing to decrease significantly once the Ascend 950 has been deployed into production." https://api-docs.deepseek.com/zh-cn/news/news260424#api-%E8%...

Sorry, but exactly where in the article that you linked contains the mention of " Ascend 950"?

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by dnnddidiej »

gbnwl wrote: post #9

I’m deeply interested and invested in the field but I could really use a support group for people burnt out from trying to keep up with everything. I feel like we’ve already long since passed the point where we need AI to help us keep up with advancements in AI.

https://commoncog.com/how-to-make-sense-of-ai/

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Post by benterix »

chmod775 wrote: post #466
sigmoid10 wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still not sure how I feel about China of all places to control the only alternative AI stack, but I guess it's better than leaving everything to the US alone. If China ever feels emboldened enough to go for Taiwan and the US descends into complete chaos, the rest of the world running on AI will be at the mercy of authoritarian regimes. At the very least you can be sure noone is in this for the good of the people anym…

> Still not sure how I feel about China of all places to control the only alternative AI stack, but I guess it's better than leaving everything to the US alone. Fully agree. From a US perspective, that sucks. For everyone else it's pretty great. At this point the world's opinions of China are better than those of the US in some polls. One country invests and helps build infrastructure on a massive scale globally, the…

Yeah it's confusing. I mean China has work camps for Uighurs and is very brutal on Tibetans etc. OTOH, their leader is not setting the world on fire every second week and compared to Trump seems like the paragon of reason on the surface. Of course we know it's a facade but man what crazy times to live in.

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Post by chenzhekl »

nsoonhui wrote: post #527
chenzhekl wrote: post #423

It's interesting that they mentioned in the release notes: "Limited by the capacity of high-end computational resources, the current throughput of the Pro model remains constrained. We expect its pricing to decrease significantly once the Ascend 950 has been deployed into production." https://api-docs.deepseek.com/zh-cn/news/news260424#api-%E8%...

Sorry, but exactly where in the article that you linked contains the mention of " Ascend 950"?

it's in the footnote text of the first figure of the section the link points to, where "昇腾950" means "Ascend 950"
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