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Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by ____jes »

trocado wrote: post #330
sam345 wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think fastmail is going to help you. They are subject to legal requirements too and probably American jurisdiction also despite what their particular position is. https://www.fastmail.com/blog/fastmails-servers-are-in-the-u... . People love to hate Google but they're just doing what any corporation subject to law is going to do.

Fwiw that post states: > It has been pointed out to us that since we have our servers in the US, we are under US jurisdiction. We do not believe this to be the case. We do not have a legal presence in the US, no company incorporated in the US, no staff in the US, and no one in the US with login access to any servers located in the US. Even if a US court were to serve us with a court order, subpoena or other instructi…

That's an old post. Fastmail has a US office now.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by emmelaich »

woodydesign wrote: post #53

Every time this happens the debate goes the same way — trust Google or don't, switch to Proton, self-host everything. But the real issue I believe isn't whether we trust Google. It's that the data existed somewhere it could be taken from in the first place. I've been thinking about this a lot while working on a side project. I ended up making it work entirely offline — no server, no account, no network calls. Not out…

I suspect Proton are subject to the same laws as Google.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

comelycomb wrote: post #513
kQq9oHeAz6wLLS wrote: post #503

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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When did Obama create a masked gestapo that kills innocent civilians? Oh right. Never. Both siding with trump makes you look like a bot troll or worse.

As per the numbers, Obama is listed as deporting 5 million, and even gave Tom Homan a medal for his work.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

whats_a_quasar wrote: post #501
lmm wrote: post #447

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was it a right he had in the first place? Many countries make it illegal for foreigners to undertake political activities as a condition of their visa, for good reason.

Yes, the First Amendment applies to all people within the territory of the United States equally. US law does not limit the political speech of non-citizens present on visas.

Do you feel that way about the second amendment too? Just curious if we’re picking and choosing what visitors can legally do. What if SCOTUS said that people means citizens and not visitors for guns, don’t you think that would apply to visa, immigrants, or visitors as well?

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Post by rainbow13 »

neya wrote: post #509

> In September 2024, Amandla Thomas-Johnson was a Ph.D. candidate studying in the U.S. on a student visa when he briefly attended a pro-Palestinian protest. Why would you go to a country for study purposes - where you explicitly tell the visa officers you're on US soil ONLY for study purposes - which is what the student visa explicitly grants you to do and then participate in a protest against the very country that g…

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Post by emmelaich »

mothballed wrote: post #184
rootusrootus wrote: post #122

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Which immigration laws are they enforcing in this case? And are you also going to suggest that the Constitution does not protect foreign nationals inside the US?

The Constitution uses the following in regard to protest in the first amendment Congress shall make no law ... abridging ... the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. It uses this same "right of the people" in the second amendment ... the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. In both cases, the right is restricted to "the pe…

> "the right of the people peaceably to assemble"

"Peaceably" is important. If you think the pro-Palestinian protests on campus are peaceful, try wearing a yarmulke and walking anywhere near them. Or anywhere on many campuses, on any day, protest on-going or not.

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

rootusrootus wrote: post #444
bdangubic wrote: post #436

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The US has very low voter turnout Don't disagree with you in principle but 2024 saw a very, very, very large turnout for US standards - the biggest one... Kamala's 75m+ votes basically are good enough (by very wide margin) to win any previous election (slimmer margin in 2020 than others but you get my point...)

> the biggest one 2020 had about 4 million more votes cast. https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/voter-turnou...

Weird, and why didn’t those people show up to vote for Kamala? How did Biden get more votes than Obama, but Trump won the popular vote four years later?

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by neya »

viscountchocula wrote: post #510
neya wrote: post #509

> In September 2024, Amandla Thomas-Johnson was a Ph.D. candidate studying in the U.S. on a student visa when he briefly attended a pro-Palestinian protest. Why would you go to a country for study purposes - where you explicitly tell the visa officers you're on US soil ONLY for study purposes - which is what the student visa explicitly grants you to do and then participate in a protest against the very country that g…

And probably bought a pizza at some point, too. That's not studying. Shameful liar.

That's not a meaningful comparison. Eating a pizza isn't the same as violating the terms of your visa - which is an explicit contract between you and the country you're entering which you sign before you enter the said country.

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Post by neya »

ungreased0675 wrote: post #517
neya wrote: post #509

> In September 2024, Amandla Thomas-Johnson was a Ph.D. candidate studying in the U.S. on a student visa when he briefly attended a pro-Palestinian protest. Why would you go to a country for study purposes - where you explicitly tell the visa officers you're on US soil ONLY for study purposes - which is what the student visa explicitly grants you to do and then participate in a protest against the very country that g…

I think most countries on earth have very little tolerance for visitors protesting against the government.

Yes. And whether protests should be allowed or not as part of the visa is a different discourse, but most countries simply forbid it.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by sojournerc »

peyton wrote: post #512
Jimmc414 wrote: post #479

The First Amendment applies to everyone on US soil, not just citizens. That’s settled law. The government can revoke visas for legitimate immigration violations, but it’s not allowed to use immigration machinery as a pretext to punish political expression. That’s exactly what they are doing. It looks like the courts will eventually put an end to this [0] but it won’t reverse the damage that’s already been done. I’m g…

Here’s a video of what this guy was involved in (to my best knowledge): https://statements.cornell.edu/2024/20241019-career-fair-dis... I’m a First Amendment absolutist and AFAIK foreign students can protest, but this video shows to me it probably crosses the line into something else. Exactly what, I have no opinion.

Yeah, masks and intentionally antagonizing police doesn't scream peaceful protest
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