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Molotov cocktail is hurled at home of Sam Altman

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people are never OK with violence against human beings.

Unfortunately some people are.

this is true for just about everything, there is always some as outliers for whatever but isn’t true in general. there are people I believe are rotten to the core but would never wish any violence against them

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The top comment there mentions the French Revolution. You think people will put up with wildly accelerating inequality forever? It’s going to explode, the only question is when.

> You think people will put up with wildly accelerating inequality forever? No. Nor do I think they should. But UBI, higher income tax at the top and a wealth tax for the ultra rich sound like a much better plan to me than to blow a bunch of things up.

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I think much the reaction to the Brian Thompson killing also seemed ok with the violence despite it happening before the events you describe, though I guess that could be an outlier.

That's because Brian Thompson was functionally a serial killer.

Napkin math puts him at ~5,800-11,500 deaths.

More of a mass murderer in my eyes, but I'm willing to be wrong on that point.

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That's because Brian Thompson was functionally a serial killer.

From a POSIWID perspective, you are right. From a "we live in a civilized society" perspective, I can see why some people are outraged about his killing. Finally, looking at the balance sheet of his accomplishments, I can also see why the pitchfork crowd is cheering.

POSIWID?

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Nobody in your circle of friends/acquaintances perhaps.

You're okay with sitting at the rear seat of a car while it drives you around the city though.

Can't speak for anyone else, but absolutely no. I don't have any interest in self driving cars.

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Of course violence is legal. Laws themselves carry no weight if they aren't backed by a credible threat of violence.

Violence by the state is legal. Violence otherwise tends not to be.

Not all violence by the state is legal. In a properly functioning democracy, the state cannot carry out arbitrary violence with impunity, only that which is consistent with the powers granted to it by the constitution and laws written and passed in accordance with that constitution. That was the case in the US for long stretches of its existence.

But under an authoritarian regime, it doesn’t matter whether what the state does runs contrary to statute or constitution because there is no one who has both the will and the ability to enforce any restrictions against the state.

Re: Molotov cocktail is hurled at home of Sam Altman

#528

It is a bit scary how people seem to genuinely be OK with violence (see this reddit thread [0]). Is just me or does it feel like the overall "temperature" has gone up. [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1shugf8/firebomb_t...

People are okay with violence when democratic means (if first past the post even counts) do not solve their problems.

People being okay with violence when they lose the democratic vote is a problem. The system isn't perfect, but again, if you're resorting to violence instead of campaigning for change, society either has to crush you, or we're all going to anarchy

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What "white collar crime" was Brian Thompson guilty of? As I understand it, he was merely the CEO of an insurance company. Nobody likes how insurance companies do business, but that doesn't make it "crime".

Its less about "crimes" and more about a moral or ethical boundary that people feel is being crossed.

Yeah think of it as a moral crime. Someone can achieve tax evasion completely legally but that doesn't make it fair or right.

Re: Molotov cocktail is hurled at home of Sam Altman

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It is a bit scary how people seem to genuinely be OK with violence (see this reddit thread [0]). Is just me or does it feel like the overall "temperature" has gone up. [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1shugf8/firebomb_t...

What do you mean by violence? Do you consider someone building a monster of a server farm near your home and messing up with your drinking water, electricity and life in general violence? Why violence is only immediate physical one that counts?

All of that has presumably gone through the proper public approval process. Just because you might think the process is flawed, does not justify retaliatory violence in a civilized society
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