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I won't download your app. The web version is a-ok

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Re: I won't download your app. The web version is a-ok

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Post by sdfjkhdfjkdhs »

SoftTalker wrote: post #260
sdfjkhdfjkdhs wrote: post #252

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The whole bookmark/tab system really needs to be completely revised. I have a new system I'm thinking about for my Chromium fork which will be radically different. More like a full-page "new tab" screen where everything can be visualized and sorted into different projects etc. Just look at how most people do a search, for instance. These days for me it often involves 20-30 tabs, or even more, due to the horrific stat…

I've never explored 20-30 search results. Not since Google anyway. If I don't find what I want in the first few I rephrase the search or try a different search engine. The world beyond the first page of results basically doesn't exist.

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Re: I won't download your app. The web version is a-ok

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Post by sdfjkhdfjkdhs »

doubled112 wrote: post #323
SunshineTheCat wrote: post #251

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I don't know why, but equating how many tabs a person has open to how much of a power user they are sounds like something right out of a south park episode.

Apparently bookmarks and self-hosting a read it later web app on my home server but only having 5 tabs open at a time makes me a filthy casual.

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Re: I won't download your app. The web version is a-ok

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Post by robocat »

chrneu wrote: post #494
AlBugdy wrote: post #413

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> I personally find the idea of doing homework on my phone horrifying but I suppose kids today are either used to it and comfortable with it, or they've simply never used a computer and don't know what they're missing. Though I'd wager they probably aren't comfortable typing on a keyboard. First hand from a couple of ~16 year olds I know. Definitely not a representative sample. Some know how to type at an acceptable…

My partner is a therapist and so I wind up in a lot of therapist groups and support groups for therapists. Many of them are youth therapists. I also coach kids and help coordinate youth athletics. My best friend is also a middle school teacher, along with his partner. So I think I have a decent grasp on where kids are at nowadays. At least in my area. Most people I know who work with kids agree that the majority of c…

> skills to an ability to handle any kind of confrontation. > Avoidance is really prevalent in people nowadays

I see both of those in plenty of middle aged people (my age). Conflict is a hard skill to learn, and avoidance often works.

When dealing with someone who maximally escalates, avoidance can be the alternative to violence.

Re: I won't download your app. The web version is a-ok

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Post by leptons »

palata wrote: post #512
leptons wrote: post #500

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>Well, you can verify that the code that you downloaded is the same that everyone else downloaded. Even if it contains webviews. Not impossible to do with websites, if the need to do it was there. It would take about 15 minutes to create a browser extension that could make a hash of all the files loaded, to compare with other users with the extension installed - but honestly that's just not needed because if you're c…

> It would take about 15 minutes to create a browser extension that could make a hash of all the files loaded, to compare with other users with the extension installed You completely underestimate it. I am absolutely certain that you cannot create a browser extension that meaningfully solves this problem in 15 minutes. > Web applications are sandboxed in the web browser. Very little issue with that Except that when w…

>You completely underestimate it. I am absolutely certain that you cannot create a browser extension that meaningfully solves this problem in 15 minutes.

You are absolutely wrong. I write browser extensions, I can spin up a new one in a minute, and the code to monitor and hash all resources loaded by a webpage is trivially easy to do. It would be simple to set up a server to allow comparing the hashes, in a POC. I'm not talking about making this a robust service that everyone can use, I'm only talking about how easy it is to do in a general way. It's far easier than you think it is.

>>>I wouldn't run a web-based terminal, for instance (do people actually do that?).

>> AWS has a web-based terminal for EC2 instances. It's not a problem, a lot of people use it.

>I genuinely can't see if you just don't understand the point being discussed at all, or if you keep saying off-topic things as a way to divert the discussion.

You're right, I certainly don't understand the nonsense you're trying to convey.

I'm also tired of this pointless internet interaction. Goodbye.

Re: I won't download your app. The web version is a-ok

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Post by leptons »

palata wrote: post #513
leptons wrote: post #503

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>We can't do this with Proton where our mail is supposedly end-to-end encrypted. They can easily view our mail if they can send us a different code when we load their site. That isn't a problem with how the web works vs how apps work, that's a problem with you trusting Protonmail. If you really wanted to be secure sending an email or any communication, you wouldn't trust any third party, be it an app or a website - y…

That is a problem with you not understanding how security works. > If you really wanted to be secure There is no such thing as "being really secure". There are threat models, and implementations that defend you against them. Because you can't prevent a bulldozer from destroying your front door does not mean that it is useless to ever lock it. Even your air-gapped example is wrong, because it means that you have to tr…

>That is a problem with you not understanding how security works.

That's hilariously wrong.

>There is no such thing as "being really secure".

Sure there is. "Being really secure" isn't what I said at all, and it's a vague statement to make. You're reaching to create an internet argument, and I'm frankly bored of this, you're out of your depth.

>Even your air-gapped example is wrong, because it means that you have to trust that system

I'd trust a system that I set up. I'm not going to do it on a system that you set up, that much is for certain.

> (unless you are capable of building a computer from scratch in your garage, which I doubt).

I still have an EPROM burner, so yes, I could, and I have.

>Sending an encrypted over the Signal app is a lot more secure than sending an email over the ProtonMail website

If you really think that, then nobody should be taking security advice from you.

I'm really tired of this pointless internet interaction. Goodbye.

Re: I won't download your app. The web version is a-ok

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Post by [deleted] »

Zak wrote: post #490
palata wrote: post #446

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Well the idea is that the client should be open source, and audited. If you run a proprietary app, you have to blindly trust it (just like if you access a webapp). In terms of security, the best is an open source app, IMO.

Open source helps, but if you didn't build it yourself, you'll need to trust whoever did. F-Droid reproducible builds help in that you only need to trust either F-Droid or the developer, not both. The browser tends to be safer because it has a stronger sandbox than native apps on a mobile OS. It's meant to be able to run potentially malicious code with a very limited blast radius.

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Re: I won't download your app. The web version is a-ok

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Post by coffe2mug »

array_key_first wrote: post #467
coffe2mug wrote: post #206

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> Exactly! Esp if you just move away "one tile" from tech/IT or business-power-users, most people are more or less clueless what they are doing/have to do with a computer. I don't think so. A majority don't want to. But they are forced by geeks/nerds. Geeks/nerds often show off especially in family/friends parties with older/common folk - telling - I can do this/that. Then average CEO or parent is forced to get a sma…

I think this is missing that older people are not stupid, and they could learn how to use software if they spent the time. Many older folks used even more complicated software in the past, and then they lost the skill or didn't keep it up to date. A lot of older people rely on yougins for tech support not because they have to, but because it's easy learned helplessness. A large part of this is ALSO software's fault,…

My comment was neither to say stupid or so.

Maybe you are focusing on small statistic of older people from white-collar jobs. Most people in > 70s were primarily in jobs that never needed IT. Yes, they have seen computers , faxes, scanners but not sit in front of computers 9-5. Remember HN needs to remember plumbers, bricklayers, nurses, etc

Not everyone is from Gates type families

Re: I won't download your app. The web version is a-ok

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Post by h4kunamata »

This and thanks to GrapheneOS!

I have ditched a ton of apps, from Youtube, to X, Discord and what not.

Apps is the biggest trap, it grants techs full access to your device, unless you are running GrapheneOS of course.

Web version works just fine, faster, it is not bloated like the app and won't drain your battery since there is no app running in the background.

The only app I still have is Instagram when I wanna upload a video to my car account because they refuse to do that via browser.

If I place expects me to download an app to order, I am eating elsewhere.

Re: I won't download your app. The web version is a-ok

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Post by Markoff »

robocat wrote: post #523
chrneu wrote: post #494

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My partner is a therapist and so I wind up in a lot of therapist groups and support groups for therapists. Many of them are youth therapists. I also coach kids and help coordinate youth athletics. My best friend is also a middle school teacher, along with his partner. So I think I have a decent grasp on where kids are at nowadays. At least in my area. Most people I know who work with kids agree that the majority of c…

> skills to an ability to handle any kind of confrontation. > Avoidance is really prevalent in people nowadays I see both of those in plenty of middle aged people (my age). Conflict is a hard skill to learn, and avoidance often works. When dealing with someone who maximally escalates, avoidance can be the alternative to violence.

> [Conflict] Avoidance is really prevalent in people nowadays

Nowadays? Fight Club was joking about it quarter century ago. Relevant clip:

https://youtu.be/WWNrPCakd2I?si=tOaYgRd3g0Zarbzl&t=8

Western society is made of the weaklings (I think the term nowadays is snowflakes) who will do anything to avoid fight/conflict, I realized it when I returned back after few years in China and saw everywhere these weak people. In China you have to be rude/fast to survive, ignoring other people's interests.

Same experience when I was kid before serving in military vs after serving in military, you really grow up fast over there from teenager.

They should be teaching assertiveness in the schools, western people will nowadays just complain on internet (internet heroes) or find excuse "oh it's just a dollar" to avoid conflict instead of complaining directly where it's suitable.

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