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German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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post #275

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And this regulation violates this how exactly?

Because if you need a written confirmation that may conditionally not be given, you don’t actually have the right.

At the moment, the law has no teeth since they cannot stop anyone from just leaving without return ticket, and nothing happens when you return. Of course it would be very easy to change that, and that's the reason why it exists.

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#522

I still cannot understand why and what we are fighting for. Setting aside the wars of the previous decades, Russia was a long term ally with Ukraine, much like the USA and Canada and then out of nowhere they are in a "soft war". Also, after 50 years of the Islamic regime in Iran, we should engage in another soft war, again because of ill defined reasons. The soft is in contrast to regular war which locks down the who…

I cannot agree that Russia and Ukraine were ever long term allies. It was, at best, more like an uneasy co-existence.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

#523
post #394

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And "Everyone has the right to life, liberty and the security of person." Military service also serves the purpose to defend that right when the country is attacked. Rights aren't absolute, they have to be traded off against each other.

Military service in the west is not for defence. Irak, Iran, Syria, Vietnam...

The German constitution explicitly prohibits starting wars: https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_gg/englisch_gg.h...

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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The crazy thing to me is also that they slipped it into the law on January 1st, and our quality journalism (such as OP DW), for which we are forced to pay monthly fees, only reports about it now - and I'm fairly sure they didn't break the story, they caught onto it pretty late.

Almost like by design.

Oh yeah and the obvious discrimination. If you change your gender on paper now you probably won't be affected, but you will be affected if you change it short-term.

https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/sbgg/__9.html

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

#525

I still cannot understand why and what we are fighting for. Setting aside the wars of the previous decades, Russia was a long term ally with Ukraine, much like the USA and Canada and then out of nowhere they are in a "soft war". Also, after 50 years of the Islamic regime in Iran, we should engage in another soft war, again because of ill defined reasons. The soft is in contrast to regular war which locks down the who…

Russia, and especially Putin (over the last 26 years), never considered Ukraine an ally but rather a puppet and something that must be in their direct influence/control. Their relationship can’t be compared to the one the US and Canada had.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Seems crazy that women can vote to send men to war.

No crazier than that the old can vote to send the young to war.

Why don’t presidents fight the war; why do they always send the poor?

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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But if you don't do #1, then #2 will happen involuntarily, right? So conscription ultimately = physically forced.

They will probably go to prison instead, like some of my friends did. Giving military training to people who definitely don't want it can be a bad idea for many reasons.

Unmotivated draftees are mostly used as a workforce. Especially in modern warfare, soldiers without significant training are worse than useless, as the wrong action at the wrong time can compromise the stealth and mission of their unit.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

#528
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> While the law requires men to request the permit, the spokesperson clarified, it also obliges the military career center to issue it, if "no specific military service is expected during the period in question.” > "Since military service under current law is based exclusively on voluntary participation, such permissions must generally be granted,” the official added. > When asked, the ministry spokesperson pointed o…

It was already a thing back when I was doing compulsory service (end of the nineties), but no one cared and no one was ever asked for it.

Not true. Back then, limitations on "Spannungsfall" and "Verteidigungsfall" were in place which have been removed last year. The real news, though, is that the public (media, opposition parties) didn't noticed until a couple of days ago.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

#529
post #523

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Military service in the west is not for defence. Irak, Iran, Syria, Vietnam...

The German constitution explicitly prohibits starting wars: https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_gg/englisch_gg.h...

It's about time to finally grok that all world's military is only there to wage wars at the whim of the 0.001% under the guise of being defence-only, and that constitutions worth less than toilet paper these days.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

#530
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> Especially since women have largely abandoned their traditional duties and still kinda expect men to hold their end of the bargain.

As far as I see, women still birth and raise children and take care of most of the household; they just also work in the addition. Don't know what you're talking about.

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