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Re: Student beauty and grades under in-person and remote teaching

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I came back cos I felt a bit guilty. You're right - I was condescending and I'm sorry

I think your model of men's social status being solely based on strength, and women's on beauty, is too simplistic to be useful. Even male chimpanzees' status isn't based solely on strength (social grooming and coalition building are also really important), and female chimpanzees' status is not based on the males they attract. Human societies are complex, and people can be useful to the group in a zillion different ways. Men were never only hunters/warriors, and women were never only wives/mothers. Even in societies where almost all food was from hunting it needed to be processed and preserved, and that work was very often done by women. A beautiful woman who takes shortcuts when preserving meat and runs the risk of poisoning the whole family does not make a good wife

The core of anyone's power is how useful they are to people around them. If you're beautiful that can be part of your usefulness, but if that's all you have to offer then you're not going to be very powerful

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Screens were voice calls for a long time. I’m a big fan of what’s normally the day of interviews be in person even if you take AI cheating out of the picture. I realize not everyone agrees. Zoom interviewing is mostly a COVID outcome.

I think screens will continue to be phone or videoconference. When candidates know the final interview will be in person they give up on cheating. No point in wasting time on cheating through the screens if you’re just going to bomb in person without ChatGPT showing the answers. Though I have heard some stories of candidates desperately trying every excuse they can think of to avoid coming on site for the final inter…

You can just tell the person the final interview will be in person, then don't bother to do it.

Re: Student beauty and grades under in-person and remote teaching

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It could be that height says nothing about competence as a CEO, or it could be that the people who attain CEO and succeed despite height bias need to have an exceptionally strong mix of merit/will/effort. I've heard the latter theory at least a couple times about US Navy SEALs. The first time, it was a retired SEAL I knew (well over 6', and a brick wall) who one day out of the blue said something like, "You shouldn't…

I've heard that special forces guys tend to be smaller, but I'm not sure that's true. It seems like there could be a few tactical advantages to being shorter, less likely to bump your head maybe, but who knows.

Spec ops tend to be more averaged sized, with denser builds (as opposed to bulkier muscle mass)(1). Although, quick caveat, take a look at old photos of Vietnam War era special forces vs modern late GWOT; the difference in average muscle mass is rather stark.

Historically, military selection emphasized calisthenics and load carrying capacity (body armor/weapons/rucks) + endurance. Although modern assessments have somewhat shifted towards weightlifting components, calisthenics/rucking are still a major focus. There is generally a disadvantage with height, where longer limb length creates more leverage to overcome, which is a disadvantage in both calisthenics and moving external weight around.

Average size is ~5’10” @ 180lbs at selection

(1) https://sofprepcoach.com/special-forces-selection-body-compo...

Re: Student beauty and grades under in-person and remote teaching

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The problem with this stance is that the alternative (making people feel bad) will exacerbate the problem by contributing to feelings of hopelessness and ostracism. The first prerequisite for making difficult changes is a supportive environment - not a judgmental one.

> the alternative (making people feel bad) The actual alternative is to tell the fat people that they really need to fix their serious health problem! Politely watching them die before you is maybe comfortable, but pretty messed up.

This comment is Dunning-Kruger. Some overweight people are very unhealthy. Some thin people are very unhealthy. Some overweight people have genetics that prefer to store fat subcutaneously where its not very harmful. Some thin people have genetics which preferentially store fat in and around organs or muscles which is incredibly damaging, leads to chronic inflammation and eventually T2D and atherosclerosis, among others. Lets just say you can't judge a book by its cover and biology is complex. Unless you know a person, keep your mouth shut and your mind open!

There are sedentary thin people who live on doritos and active heavy people who eat salads. There are ALL KINDS!

Over 3 gigabases is a lot of room for genetic diversity, don't you think?

Re: Student beauty and grades under in-person and remote teaching

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you can also make a lot of money buy selling things for more than you bought them for, and lose weight by simply eating less. You can feel better by sleeping more, and going to the gym every day. You can get ahead in your career by becoming great friends with your boss and your boss' boss. It turns out that often it being easy to describe in broad strokes how to do something doesn't make it easy to do in practise.

Paying attention in class might be a legitimate issue requiring medication for some people, but otherwise it, and doing optional assignments, are a choice.

do you truly in your heart of hearts believe that people simply have the choice to pay attention or not, and simply not? as easy as flipping a switch?

and that despite that they choose not to?

Re: Student beauty and grades under in-person and remote teaching

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Yes. And sex results in babies. I cannot link to any resources backing that claim so you'll have to just trust me here.

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> Eliminate the side effect via birth control and people can now have sex for pleasure with no side effects.

And that's not a bad thing. People used to have babies even if they were nowhere near ready for it by age, emotionally, financially or in terms of housing. Particularly teen pregnancies have a massive cost on society and reinforce generational poverty.

If governments would actually want more children, they'd lower the working hours so that both parents can stay employed while being actually able to raise their children adequately (no, handing off your kids at 7 in the morning and getting them back at 6 in the evening, only to have maybe an hour of actual time with them before they have to sleep is not raising children adequately), they'd provide families with housing, they'd provide mothers with affordable healthcare instead of five figures worth of hospital bills in the US, they'd provide both parents with parental leave instead of forcing them to juggle work and adjusting to care for a toddler...

Young people everywhere see how unimportant they are to society and are resisting to fall into the same trap their parents did.

Re: Student beauty and grades under in-person and remote teaching

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Nope, it's cultural. If you look at cultures outside of your narrow window (in both time and space), you'll find that the perception of fatness has varied wildly over the millenia.

If it just was cultural then women wouldn't have evolved abnormally thin waists, they have that since men finds it attractive, there is no other reason to have as thin waists as women has otherwise. Women in every single culture have much thinner waist hip ratios than the male counterparts, suggesting that men like them thin.

Yes, straight men tend to like when women have wider hips than waists. That doesn't mean that skinniness is attractiveness at a biological level.

Re: Student beauty and grades under in-person and remote teaching

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The problem with this stance is that the alternative (making people feel bad) will exacerbate the problem by contributing to feelings of hopelessness and ostracism. The first prerequisite for making difficult changes is a supportive environment - not a judgmental one.

My personal experience was that the shame I'd been made to feel throughout middle school for being overweight fueled the motivation to buckle down and lose weight when I was independent and mature enough to come up with a diet that I could sustain.

And others, being made to feel such shame, will sink deeper into things that quickly make them feel better. Like overeating.

Re: Student beauty and grades under in-person and remote teaching

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People that have used to be fat, and then lost a lot of weight, will know how brutally different people will treat you. Whereas you'd practically be a ghost before weight loss, random people will suddenly look you in your eyes, smile, even start conversations with you. Some will of course argue that you losing weight will also make you more confident, and thus you become more approachable. I think there's a lot of bi…

> Whereas you'd practically be a ghost before weight loss, random people will suddenly look you in your eyes, smile, even start conversations with you. I watched something like this happen in a friend, but as an outside observer I saw a different explanation: The period when he got into shape involved a lot of changes for the better in his life, including becoming more outgoing, motivated, and disciplined (necessary…

That reminds me of when I was undiagnosed with hypothyroidism only in reverse. In my late 20s I made an effort to dress better, no jeans or dirty sneakers, hair cut, gel, gym at least three times a week. Then all that started to slide, brain fog, stay at home, just no energy.

It took probably 10 years but finally I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism. I wonder if a lot of overweight people started out like me but were never diagnosed. At diagnosis I wasn't overweight but I have since gained weight just due to my metabolism now. I was always slim all my life now I'm on the low end of overweight.

So yeah weight can be a problem but so can other issues. It's difficult to be yourself when you have hidden weights you don't even realize are dragging you down.

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