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Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by C6JEsQeQa5fCjE »

nailer wrote: post #515
C6JEsQeQa5fCjE wrote: post #499

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those are some serious claims there. It's been 2 years and all the captured people have been returned to Israel. Still no actual proof of such claims that are casually repeated by pro-Israeli media. Not even mere supporting testimonies by those who were held captive. Anyway, you dodged nearly the entirety of my comment. You know very well what a proportional response to what Israel has done would be.

> It's been 2 years and all the captured people have been returned to Israel No. The IDF retrieved some people and some bodies, sometimes Hamas returned live people, sometimes bodies like the Bibas babies they beat to death, sometimes other bodies that they pretended were the victim. > Still no actual proof of such claims that are casually repeated by pro-Israeli media. Most are from the victims. You can listen to th…

Alright, multiple things.

First of all, Israel DOES conduct rape of Palestinians [1] [2], so that's not some hypothetical revenge scenario, but rather an everyday reality for Palestinians living under a brutal occupation. Randomly scoop up a few Palestinians every now and then, put them in prisons often at no charge at all ("administrative detention"), and then do anything you want to them behind the prison walls.

Second of all, I actually have principles, and I am against rape ALWAYS. If the victim testimonies that you referenced are actually true, then the perpetrators of those crimes deserve appropriate punishment. So do the Israelis who rape Palestinians.

> > Anyway, you dodged nearly the entirety of my comment

> Yes because it was disgusting.

No I won't let you keep dodging. What I wrote was that if you think that what happened on Oct 7 justified the response that Israel enacted by demolishing basically the entirety of Gaza, then you should shudder at the thought of what is justified in a merely proportional response to Israel's response. Proportionality being the foundation of justice and all that. For example, given that we know that Israel regularly kills and rapes Palestinians, would it be justified to do to Israel what Israel has done to Gaza? No? Then why do you people keep justifying what you have done to Gaza? When will you accept how disproportionally savage that was? Do you not see how disgusted by it the rest of the world is?

If you think that proportionality is disgusting, well, no need to engage any further.

[1] https://thecradle.co/articles-id/36452

[2] https://thecradle.co/articles/israeli-war-chief-offers-apolo...

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by noumenon1111 »

gravisultra wrote: post #227
mattfrommars wrote: post #198

This is incredibly heart breaking, but unfortunately, in war, there are always casualties. This is the grim reality of war.

There is no war in the West Bank, this is ethnic cleansing.

"Ethnic cleansing" is such a nice word. "Etničko čišćenje" is what the Serb paramilitaries called raping and murdering a population to make them leave. "Remove kebab" as the later meme culture would call it. It's so trite, and a little funny it seems. We should call it what it is: *genocide*; thereby robbing the perpetrators of any semblance of cleanliness or propriety.

Monsters are filthy. Let's call them the filthy monsters they are.

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by throw310822 »

nailer wrote: post #517
throw310822 wrote: post #511

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Then you didn't understand. Palestinians can be forced to accept a state with the 1967 borders and Jerusalem East as a capital, as it's proven by the fact that they are forced to accept occupation and apartheid every single day. But Clinton is of course lying as well as disparaging a whole people with racist remarks.

> Palestinians can be forced to accept a state with the 1967 borders I don’t know what you mean. Palestinians should agree to accept a deal. > forced to accept occupation and apartheid every single day. No. Arabs in Israel have more rights than in any Arab country. Apartheid is illegal under Israeli law. You clearly have very little knowledge of Israel. Arabs in Hamas and Hezbollah areas have bad lives because of the…

> I don’t know what you mean. Palestinians should agree to accept a deal.

No, the occupation is illegal and those who are illegally occupying the territory of other people must leave it, period.

Not even bothering to answer the rest of your fantasy propaganda.

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by gravisultra »

noumenon1111 wrote: post #522
gravisultra wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no war in the West Bank, this is ethnic cleansing.

"Ethnic cleansing" is such a nice word. "Etničko čišćenje" is what the Serb paramilitaries called raping and murdering a population to make them leave. "Remove kebab" as the later meme culture would call it. It's so trite, and a little funny it seems. We should call it what it is: *genocide*; thereby robbing the perpetrators of any semblance of cleanliness or propriety. Monsters are filthy. Let's call them the filthy…

I agree!

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by nailer »

C6JEsQeQa5fCjE wrote: post #521
nailer wrote: post #515

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's been 2 years and all the captured people have been returned to Israel No. The IDF retrieved some people and some bodies, sometimes Hamas returned live people, sometimes bodies like the Bibas babies they beat to death, sometimes other bodies that they pretended were the victim. > Still no actual proof of such claims that are casually repeated by pro-Israeli media. Most are from the victims. You can listen to th…

Alright, multiple things. First of all, Israel DOES conduct rape of Palestinians [1] [2], so that's not some hypothetical revenge scenario, but rather an everyday reality for Palestinians living under a brutal occupation. Randomly scoop up a few Palestinians every now and then, put them in prisons often at no charge at all ("administrative detention"), and then do anything you want to them behind the prison walls. Se…

> First of all, Israel DOES conduct rape of Palestinians [1] [2], so that's not some hypothetical revenge scenario, but rather an everyday reality for Palestinians

Your links don't support your statement that this is an everyday reality.

> If the victim testimonies that you referenced are actually true, then the perpetrators of those crimes deserve appropriate punishment. So do the Israelis who rape Palestinians.

Good, I'm glad about that. You seem to cast more doubt on the many cases of Hamas and regular Gazans brutalizing Israeli civilians than the few cases of Israeli soldiers brutalizing prisoners though. Why is that?

> No I won't let you keep dodging.

What have I dodged?

> What I wrote was that if you think that what happened on Oct 7 justified the response that Israel enacted by demolishing basically the entirety of Gaza, then you should shudder at the thought of what is justified in a merely proportional response to Israel's response.

Yes, I replied with what a proportional response by Hamas to Israel would have been:

> > Hamas risking the lives of its own people to save some fictional hostages the IDF has not kidnapped?

You seemed to have missed this.

> given that we know that Israel regularly kills and rapes Palestinians,

That's not given. Your links about an isolated brutality case does not support your case that this is regular or anything near the scale of the Oct 7 massacre. The soldiers that brutalized that man are being punished by the Israeli government. The Hamas operatives that perpetuated Oct 7 massacre are by the Gazan government.

> Then why do you people keep justifying what you have done to Gaza?

How would you have handled Hamas' attacks?

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by nailer »

throw310822 wrote: post #523
nailer wrote: post #517

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Palestinians can be forced to accept a state with the 1967 borders I don’t know what you mean. Palestinians should agree to accept a deal. > forced to accept occupation and apartheid every single day. No. Arabs in Israel have more rights than in any Arab country. Apartheid is illegal under Israeli law. You clearly have very little knowledge of Israel. Arabs in Hamas and Hezbollah areas have bad lives because of the…

> I don’t know what you mean. Palestinians should agree to accept a deal. No, the occupation is illegal and those who are illegally occupying the territory of other people must leave it, period. Not even bothering to answer the rest of your fantasy propaganda.

> No, the occupation is illegal and those who are illegally occupying the territory of other people must leave it, period.

Why is it an occupation? Arabs declared war on Israel and lost Judea and Samaria.

Do you campaign that Poland and France illegally occupy parts of Germany and must leave the land? Or do you only do that when the state is Jewish?

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by nailer »

tpm wrote: post #432
nailer wrote: post #327

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The State of Palestine is recognized as a sovereign state by 157 of the 193 member states of the United Nations, or just over 80% of all UN members. The only obstacle to the two-state solution is Israel and the US blocking it with powerful violence. Please don't lie.

Countries recognising Palestine doesn't matter. Palestine wants one state and to kill all the Jews. They say so explicitly and repeatedly. Anyone who has done any research into the middle east knows this.

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by noworriesnate »

layer8 wrote: post #140
noworriesnate wrote: post #133

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> Auschwitz Girls’ Orchestra Is this something from the post-war or did that really exist?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_Orchestra_of_Auschwi... “The Germans wanted a propaganda tool for [SS] visitors and camp newsreels and a tool to boost camp morale.” There were also several men’s orchestras.

Interesting, I imagine the propaganda was also used for the German public, because they had no idea they were death camps.

Israel would doubtless keep its genocide a secret if it could, but there's just so much evidence created by smartphones. This is actually an example of how technology is making the world a massively better place--it's so much harder to genocide without creating tons of evidence.

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by tpm »

nailer wrote: post #527
tpm wrote: post #432

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The State of Palestine is recognized as a sovereign state by 157 of the 193 member states of the United Nations, or just over 80% of all UN members. The only obstacle to the two-state solution is Israel and the US blocking it with powerful violence. Please don't lie.

Countries recognising Palestine doesn't matter. Palestine wants one state and to kill all the Jews. They say so explicitly and repeatedly. Anyone who has done any research into the middle east knows this.

Your comment is a complete racist fabrication. You should be banned.

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by dzhiurgis »

suburban_strike wrote: post #500
dzhiurgis wrote: post #488

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That's pretty crazy mental gymnastics. Palestinians have been attacking Israel civilians forever. They strapped bombs under their kids beds, etc. It's clear they don't value Israeli life, nor their own. They have been indoctrinated to hate jews before birth. There is nothing controversial about it. Israel has been doing their best to avoid civilian deaths, polar opposite of Palestinian behavior. Yes mistakes have bee…

> Palestinians have been attacking Israel civilians forever. They strapped bombs under their kids beds To the oppressed, everything is permissible. > They have been indoctrinated to hate jews before birth "Fetuses are antisemitic" is a new one.

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