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Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by _bent »

d0odk wrote: post #488
hananova wrote: post #451

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Ethically, if you do not agree with the company you work at, the optimal course of action if you can stomach it is to stay and do a bad job rather than get replaced by someone who might do a good job. I have been in such a situation before, and while I was not able to coast along until the company went under, the time delta between me getting fired and the company going under was measured in weeks. In hindsight I'd p…

Ethically, if you extend this reasoning, are we not obligated to find a position in the most morally repulsive organization we are aware of, and then coast?

yes, this is called 'effective altruism'

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Post by RobRivera »

hananova wrote: post #457
parineum wrote: post #269

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What's an artificial boost? Sounds like you're describing a sale.

Sales are artificial boosts yes. The difference is in the connotation. A sale is given for something that people generally would buy anyway, but now more people will. An artificial boost is given to stuff nobody wants, but at a lower price can be convinced to buy. Or in other words, sales raise $high_number to $higher_number while artificial boosts raise $essentially_zero to $acceptable_number.

[X] doubt

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by beeflet »

hananova wrote: post #467
Rover222 wrote: post #387

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Wikipedia obviously is left leaning.

Well yes, but so is reality. And Wikipedia as an encyclopedia is supposed to document reality. So what's the problem?

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Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by Auracle »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #132
Auracle wrote: post #118

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The Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study was methodologically flawed. “Children with two black parents were significantly older at adoption, had been in the adoptive home a shorter time, and had experienced a greater number of preadoption placements.” Reframed, the study seemed to find (a) black kids are adopted less readily and (b) the longer a kid spends in the foster system, the lower their IQ at 17. (There is als…

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Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by tptacek »

keeda wrote: post #507
tptacek wrote: post #400

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I think Musk is odious but I think there's a lot of complicating evidence to the story of what happened at Twitter. And: very smart people, like Dan Luu, were complaining about their culture long before Musk arrived.

Is there anything from Dan Luu you could point me offhand at about Twitter's culture? The only thing I recall was a blog about technical issues but that didn't seem to have much bearing on the culture. My understanding is Twitter always had cultural issues but it was not very different from other tech companies of the time, and what most of us would consider "directionally correct." I have it on pretty good authority…

I have no idea what Musk did or didn't say. I don't pay attention to him; I think he's odious. But he did cut more than half the entire workforce and the service works as well as it ever has, which is pretty damning. I'm not willing tie myself into the pretzel required to explain how antebellum Twitter was well-managed given that.

There's some fraction of that workforce that supported projects intended to make Twitter a viable standalone business, which it probably no longer is. Backoffice / line of business projects intended to support advertisers, that sort of thing. But I don't think you can explain a RIF of Twitter's scale that way.

(I'll try to dig up the Luu post I'm thinking of.)

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Post by lobf »

Auracle wrote: post #516
lobf wrote: post #123

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>As you can see, Wikipedia is very dismissive to the point of effectively lying. Did I miss where you presented evidence that wikipedia is wrong? You seem to be taking an assumption you carry (race is related to IQ) and assuming everyone believes it's true as well, thus wikipedia is lying.

There have been many, many studies that show that "race" is related to IQ. A true, unbiased article would show that as well as any well-founded criticisms of it.

Can you cite them then?

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by snackerblues »

LightBug1 wrote: post #91
heraldgeezer wrote: post #25

I do use Grok as a chatbot sometimes. Very good for sourcing X and general web search. Not as "prude" as the others too.

Prude? I've played with all the main AI players for the last 2'ish years. I've never once thought: you know what? that was a bit prudish. Genuinely morbidly curious. What use case do you have where you end up making that conclusion?

Any use case that you couldn't post about on your company Slack.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by lobf »

Auracle wrote: post #515
AlotOfReading wrote: post #143

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It seems like the root of your statement is with the existence of "race" as a purely biological classification. Wikipedia correctly notes the consensus position that race is a social construct [0] that's difficult to use accurately when discussing IQ. Grok makes the implicit and incorrect assumption that genetic factors = race, among other issues. [0] https://www.genome.gov/genetics-glossary/Race

Ok, change it to "what we call race as a proxy for general geographic locations that people's ancestors come from." Which is what we all mean by race, anyways.

But then what are you arguing? Geographic location determines IQ? (An inherently flawed measurement itself)

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Post by tptacek »

Auracle wrote: post #524
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #132

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The Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study was methodologically flawed. “Children with two black parents were significantly older at adoption, had been in the adoptive home a shorter time, and had experienced a greater number of preadoption placements.” Reframed, the study seemed to find (a) black kids are adopted less readily and (b) the longer a kid spends in the foster system, the lower their IQ at 17. (There is als…

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What? No you can't.

And: it remains perfectly OK to study racial differences in IQ. It's an actively studied topic. In fact, it's studied by at least three major scientific fields (quantitative psychology, behavioral genetics, and molecular genetics). The idea that you can't is a cringe online racist canard borne out of the fact that the studies aren't coming out the way they want them to.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by dmarcos »

bdangubic wrote: post #517
parineum wrote: post #513

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> artificial boost is given to stuff nobody wants, but at a lower price can be convinced to buy. People do want it, clearly, but it's too expensive for them. Sales don't make people want things they otherwise don't.

> Sales don't make people want things they otherwise don't. That is exactly what sales do. most sales are made sellings things to people they don’t want, until sales does what sales does

So people spent 60k on a cybertruck they don’t want? Do you believe that?
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