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Yann LeCun raises $1B to build AI that understands the physical world

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Re: Yann LeCun raises $1B to build AI that understands the physical world

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Post by layla5alive »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #458
coldtea wrote: post #443

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People in everyday life are not evaluating rules. They evaluate cases, for whether a case fits a rule. So, when being told: "Which card(s) must you turn over in order to test that if a card shows an even number on one face, then its opposite face is blue?" they translate it to: "Check the cards that show an even number on one face to see whether their opposite face is blue and vice versa" Based on this, many would na…

Yeah maybe if you phrased it as "Which card(s) must you turn over in order to ensure that all odd-numbered cards are blue?" you'd get a better response?

Even*

Re: Yann LeCun raises $1B to build AI that understands the physical world

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Post by suddenlybananas »

bethekidyouwant wrote: post #520
suddenlybananas wrote: post #388

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Do you know anything about how languages work? A dictionary doesn't have sufficient information to speak a language.

Actually I do know how latent space works, If you meant achieving excellence in syntax and grammar then much like us more examples are better

LLMs need vastly more examples than humans do, many orders of magnitude more.

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Post by qsera »

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #516
qsera wrote: post #515

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>We do what we do, not because of motivation So you are saying a living thing will try to feed even if it does not feel hunger?

Sort of ... (depends on what you mean by "feel" - detects, or is consciously aware of) I think the way this works is something like this: 1) Our body / brain will detect that we're low on energy and release neurotransmitters indicating this 2) Our body may also provide physical indications of hunger based on empty stomach 3) These hunger-detection (or i-should-eat) signals may directly trigger behavior patterns relat…

>this is obviously partly guess work

Ah..That makes sense. Because nothing you were saying making any sense to me.

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Post by psychoslave »

Insanity wrote: post #190
jsnell wrote: post #117

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I don't think it's "regardless", your opinion on LeCun being right should be highly correlated to your opinion on whether this is good for Europe. If you think that LLMs are sufficient and RSI is imminent (<1 year), this is horrible for Europe. It is a distracting boondoggle exactly at the wrong time.

Whenever I see claims about AGI being reachable through large language models, it reminds me of the miasma theory of disease. Many respectable medical professionals were convinced this was true, and they viewed the entire world through this lens. They interpreted data in ways that aligned with a miasmatic view. Of course now we know this was delusional and it seems almost funny in retrospect. I feel the same way when…

Is AGI about replicating human intelligence though? Like, human intelligence comes with its own defects, and whatever we fantasize about an intelligence free of this or that defects is done from a perspective that is full of defectiveness.

Collectively at global level, it seems we are just unable to avoid escalating conflicts into things as horrible as genocides. Individuals which have remarkable ability to achieve technical feats sometime can in the same time fall behind the most basic expectation in term of empathy which can also be considered a form off intelligence.

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Post by psychoslave »

scarmig wrote: post #281
nradov wrote: post #237

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The miasma theory of disease was "not even wrong" in the sense that it was formulated before we even had the modern scientific method to define the criteria for a theory in the first place. And it was sort of accidentally correct in that some non-infectious diseases are caused by airborne toxins.

Plenty of scientific authorities believed in it through the 19th century, and they didn't blindly believe it: it had good arguments for it, and intelligent people weighed the pros and cons of it and often ended up on the side of miasma over contagionism. William Farr was no idiot, and he had sophisticated statistical arguments for it. And, as evidence that it was a scientific theory, it was abandoned by its proponent…

> It's only with hindsight that we think contagionism is obviously correct.

We, the mere median citizen on any specific topic which is out of our expertise, certainly not. And this also have an impact as a social pressure in term of which theory is going to be given the more credits.

That's not actually specific to science. Even theological arguments can be dumb as hell or super refined by the smartest people able to thrive in their society of the time.

Correctness of the theories and how great a match they are with collected data is only a part of what make mass adoption of any theory, and not necessarily the most weighted. It's interdependence with feedback loops everywhere, so even the data collected, the tool used to collect and analyze and the metatheorical frameworks to evaluate different models are nothing like absolute objective givens.

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

qsera wrote: post #523
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #516

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sort of ... (depends on what you mean by "feel" - detects, or is consciously aware of) I think the way this works is something like this: 1) Our body / brain will detect that we're low on energy and release neurotransmitters indicating this 2) Our body may also provide physical indications of hunger based on empty stomach 3) These hunger-detection (or i-should-eat) signals may directly trigger behavior patterns relat…

>this is obviously partly guess work Ah..That makes sense. Because nothing you were saying making any sense to me.

I'm just being honest. Anyone who tells you they know what its like to be a bat, or any other animal, and what drives it's behavior is lying.

"Animals eat when they're hungry" is fine story, and obviously there is a lot of truth to it, but there are also obviously a lot of exceptions too.

Do you really think the Grizzly, preparing to hibernate, who can barely walk because he is so fat, and is eating his 50th salmon of the day, is eating because he is hungry?

What about the baby birds, mouths open when parent returns with food? Hungry, or just instinct?

What about an alligator that can go months without eating. In captivity it will eat every day if food is offered, and get obese (so keepers don't do that). Is it eating when hungry?

What about grazing animals that eat nutritionally poor food, and spend most of their waking hours eating? An elephant eats for 12-18 hours a day. Is it always hungry, or has evolution just given it survival instincts to behave like this?

When the bat leaving it's cave at dusk to go catch insects, is it hungry? What is it like to be a bat?

Re: Yann LeCun raises $1B to build AI that understands the physical world

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Post by mbrochh »

I think we will all now witness that LeCun is just an impostor with an unbelievably overblown ego.

I predict that he will burn through the investment in not time (most of it will probably trickle into regulator pockets) and he will not have anything to show for in the end.

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Post by siwatanejo »

vit05 wrote: post #107
az226 wrote: post #104

Yann LeCun seeks $5B+ valuation for world model startup AMI (Amilabs). He has hired LeBrun to the helm as CEO. AMI has also hired LeFunde as CFO and LeTune as head of post-training. They’re also considering hiring LeMune as Head of Growth and LePrune to lead inference efficiency. https://techcrunch.com/2025/12/19/yann-lecun-confirms-his-ne...

Why didn't they just call it LeLabs?

LesLabs would have sounded more French ;)
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