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The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by no-name-here »

ck2 wrote: post #516
epolanski wrote: post #351

The president of peace btw. I'm baffled at the lack of calls to boycott the Fifa world cup in US. And at the double standards applied to Russians and Israelis in their wars of aggression. I guess Israel can play the "October 7th" card at least which was an insane horror.

if he has no consequences for this, and he won't it would be very bad to be Cuba right now considering when the midterms are and about how long it would take afterwards to move all the ships I mean why would he stop with Iran? All of the US is now a "constitution-free zone"

> it would be very bad to be Cuba right now

Yesterday Trump proposed that the US take over Cuba. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/trump-...

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Post by RickJWagner »

jmyeet wrote: post #476
epolanski wrote: post #351

The president of peace btw. I'm baffled at the lack of calls to boycott the Fifa world cup in US. And at the double standards applied to Russians and Israelis in their wars of aggression. I guess Israel can play the "October 7th" card at least which was an insane horror.

What I would like people to understand is that this isn't a partisan issue. As bad as Trump is, American foreign policy is uniparty. Just look at the rhetoric from the Democratic Party leadership on an Iran strike. You have the likes of Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries quibbling over the procedure not the policy, saying Congress needs to approve action, not that that action is belligerent or unwarranted. October 7 h…

Trump has been publicly mulling over an attack on Iran for several weeks. It’s been headline news everywhere.

I did not not notice any opinions, one way or the other, from other American politicians. Correct me if I’m wrong ( with link, of course. )

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Post by cies »

Arun2009 wrote: post #426

I am just befuddled by how much of this violence is directly motivated by religious concerns, both on the side of Iran and on the side of Israel and USA. I have been reading on the topic of shunyata or emptiness in Mahayana Buddhism, and have been uncomfortably observing just how much of the artifacts we take to be real and substantial in the world are just "made up". They don't have an inherent reality of their own…

Religious concerns are, IMHO, always a facade for the underlying economic/territorial/geopolitical reasons. These religious facades help sell the war effort: get young men to enlist and fight to the death for "preserving their identity". And "muh freedom" is just as much a religious motivation to me (unsubstantiated, indoctrinated, unthreatened).

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Post by rgoulter »

jmyeet wrote: post #468
sega_sai wrote: post #363

The take home message from this is that the only way for any country to be secure is to have nuclear weapons.

I just want to expand on this. 1. According to the US and Israel, Iran has been a week away from having nuclear weapons for at least 34 years [1]; 2. It's quite clear Iran could've developed nuclear weapons but chose not to. I actually think was a mistake. The real lesson from the so-called War on Terror was that only nuclear weapons will preserve your regime (ie Norht Korea); 3. Israel is a nuclear power. It's widel…

> Thing is, pretty much all of this missile defence technology is about to become obsolete once hypersonic missiles become more widespread, which is going to happen pretty soon.

I think you'll have to be more specific.

Or I guess to compare with your other observation: """Even with all this protection, Iran [sent] enough ballistic missiles to overwhelm the defences""" -- It's not a binary of "have missile defense or not => every missile will be shot down". An amount of missile defense will make it harder for missiles to successfully hit a target.

Similarly with hypersonic missiles, it's not the binary of "I have a missile that's difficult to defend against, I win".

Having a sword which can defeat a shield isn't in itself sufficient to obsolete the shield. (Infantry can be killed with bullets, yet infantry remain an important part of fighting despite that).

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Post by techblueberry »

jmyeet wrote: post #476
epolanski wrote: post #351

The president of peace btw. I'm baffled at the lack of calls to boycott the Fifa world cup in US. And at the double standards applied to Russians and Israelis in their wars of aggression. I guess Israel can play the "October 7th" card at least which was an insane horror.

What I would like people to understand is that this isn't a partisan issue. As bad as Trump is, American foreign policy is uniparty. Just look at the rhetoric from the Democratic Party leadership on an Iran strike. You have the likes of Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries quibbling over the procedure not the policy, saying Congress needs to approve action, not that that action is belligerent or unwarranted. October 7 h…

I’m not sure what would have happened under a Dem administration. I’m not sure I’m against action in Iran.

But one the whole like precedents of the Trump Administration, was that we were going to ignore foreign entanglements, even if they could be perceived as being in our interests.

It’s wild to me how much Trump seems like Bush 2.0 when I think Trump was something of a reaction to Bush 1.0.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

epolanski wrote: post #351

The president of peace btw. I'm baffled at the lack of calls to boycott the Fifa world cup in US. And at the double standards applied to Russians and Israelis in their wars of aggression. I guess Israel can play the "October 7th" card at least which was an insane horror.

> And at the double standards applied to Russians and Israelis in their wars of aggression

To be fair, this is the new standard. Russia has promulgated it through its actions in Georgia and Ukraine. China with Tibet and Taiwan. America with Iraq, Venezuela and Iran. The old rules-based international order is dead, and with it Pax Americana.

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Post by ponector »

AbstractH24 wrote: post #415
yodsanklai wrote: post #396

Nothing like a war to boost your popularity just before the elections

Only I’m not exactly sure what constituency will support this war. He wasn’t even smart enough to leave America open to attack, manufacture a pretext, and rally people around the flag like 9/11 Heck, there was even a better case in Korea & Vietnam. Even Venezuela. What’s the case this is America’s problem?

Funny how Iran is America's problem so much but Ukraine is not, despite signed security assurance to the Ukrainian people.

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Post by gpderetta »

treetalker wrote: post #472
epolanski wrote: post #351

The president of peace btw. I'm baffled at the lack of calls to boycott the Fifa world cup in US. And at the double standards applied to Russians and Israelis in their wars of aggression. I guess Israel can play the "October 7th" card at least which was an insane horror.

I know I left that Nobel Peace Prize somewhere … but I can't find it because there's so much America First lying around. I know, I'll ask the aliens and the US men's hockey team if they've seen it.

surely you mean the coveted FIFA Peace Prize!

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Post by udioron »

tw04 wrote: post #488
udioron wrote: post #485

I believe this is related for Iran's decades old calls for "Death to America"/"Death to Israel".

I believe that’s related to Israel’s genocide of Palestinian children and America’s unending unconditional support of the same.

No, it's because of the country is run by fanatics.
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