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Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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I commend Anthropic leadership for this decision.

I simultaneously worry that the current administration will do something nuclear and actually make good on their threat to nationalize the company and/or declare the company a supply chain risk (which contradict each other but hey).

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't a one-election thing. It's going to be a generational effort to fix what these people are breaking more of every day. I hope I live to see it come to some kind of fruition - I recently turned 50.

Some people are calling it the "American century of humiliation" No other country that went through a phase like this has ever recovered. Not even in a century.

I’d be interested to see some specific examples cited as it’s hard to take this comment at face value.

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Brigadier General S. L. A. Marshall’s 1947 book Men Against Fire: The Problem of Battle Command stated that only about 10-15% of men would actually take the opportunity to fire directly at exposed enemies. The rest would typically fire in the air to merely scare off the men on the opposing force. I personally think this is one of the most positive of human traits: we’re almost pathologically unwilling to murder other…

> Brigadier General S. L. A. Marshall’s 1947 book Men Against Fire: The Problem of Battle Command stated that only about 10-15% of men would actually take the opportunity to fire directly at exposed enemies. The rest would typically fire in the air to merely scare off the men on the opposing force.

Having been identified back then, this issue has been systematically stamped out in modern militaries through training methods. Cue high levels of PTSD in modern frontline troops after they absorb what they actually did.

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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This is such a depressing read. What is becoming of the USA? Let's hope sanity prevails and the next election cycle can bring in some competent non-grievance based leadership.

What do you mean? You think any company should do whatever the government tells them?

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All of these problems are downstream of the Congress having thoroughly abdicated its powers to the executive. The military should be reigned in at the legislative level, by constraining what it can and cannot do under law. Popular action is the only way to make that happen. Energy directed anywhere else is a waste. Private corporations should never be allowed to dictate how the military acts. Such a thought would be…

It's also downstream of voters who voted in a president who promised to be dictatorial after failing at an attempted insurrection. We need to deprogram like 70M very confused people.

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Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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An organization character really shows through when their values conflict with their self-interest. It's inspiring to see that Anthropic is capable of taking a principled stand, despite having raised a fortune in venture capital. I don't think a lot of companies would have made this choice. I wish them the very best of luck in weathering the consequences of their courage.

The problem is that this is a decision that costs money. Relying on a system that makes money by doing bad things to do good things out of a sense of morality when a possible outcome is existential risk to the species is a 100% chance of failure on a long enough timeline. We need massive disincentives to bad behavior, but I think that cat is already out of its bag.

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Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anthropic had the largest IP settlement ($1.5 billion) for stolen material and Amodei repeatedly predicted mass unemployment within 6 months due to AI. Without being bothered about it at all. It is a horrible and ruthless company and hearing a presumably rich ex-employee painting a rosy picture does not change anything.

Copyright is bad and its good that AI companies stole the stuff and distilled it into models

It's not great they're the only ones allowed to do it.

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't a one-election thing. It's going to be a generational effort to fix what these people are breaking more of every day. I hope I live to see it come to some kind of fruition - I recently turned 50.

Some people are calling it the "American century of humiliation" No other country that went through a phase like this has ever recovered. Not even in a century.

U.S. Civil War? Roman Crisis of the 3rd Century? Russian Revolution? England's War of the Roses? China's periodic dynastic changes?

They usually don't come back with the same political organization - that's sorta the point. But plenty of civilizations come back in a form that is culturally recognizable and even dominate afterwards.

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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All of these problems are downstream of the Congress having thoroughly abdicated its powers to the executive. The military should be reigned in at the legislative level, by constraining what it can and cannot do under law. Popular action is the only way to make that happen. Energy directed anywhere else is a waste. Private corporations should never be allowed to dictate how the military acts. Such a thought would be…

> The military should be reigned in at the legislative level, by constraining what it can and cannot do under law. Is there an example of such a system existing successfully in any other country of the world that has a standing army?

I think any such examination of a military that doesn't actually fight wars is meaningless. The question can only be really asked of a handful of countries.

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I was reading halfway thru and one line struck a nerve with me: > But today, frontier AI systems are simply not reliable enough to power fully autonomous weapons. So not today, but the door is open for this after AI systems have gathered enough "training data"? Then I re-read the previous paragraph and realized it's specifically only criticizing > AI-driven domestic mass surveillance And neither denounces partially a…

> I thought "Anthropic" was about being concerned about humans See also: OpenAI being open, Democratic People's Republic of Korea being democratic and peoples-first[0]. [0] https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PeoplesRepublicO...

Elon, is that you?
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