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Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by 1718627440 »

EnPissant wrote: post #407
1718627440 wrote: post #281

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> once you configure it to mimic gnome 2 Why is it better than Gnome 2 then? This is what I prefer (it's called Mate now).

I was a Mate user for ages. It's great. Unfortunately, the lack of development is starting to show. For example, no fractional scaling for 4k monitors. I've configured KDE Plasma to look almost identical to Mate (the defaults are similar to Windows, nice, but I prefer the Mate layout): - top panel / bottom panel - desktop switcher bottom right - task bar on bottom - desktop button bottom left - clock top right - app…

> For example, no fractional scaling for 4k monitors.

I don't have a 4K monitor, but what does `xrandr --output HDMI1 --scale 0.8x0.8` do? I have a 1024x768 monitor and do to all the useless whitespace in modern programs, I scale into the opposite direction.

But I agree Gnome lost the plot completely, and sadly Gtk too. Which is a pity, because I prefer GTK+ to Qt, but they deprecated so much useful Widgets and the alternative given is 'just don't do that'.

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Post by vladvasiliu »

prmoustache wrote: post #251
sigmoid10 wrote: post #239

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The gnome window title bars are obnoxiously thick and useless by default tho. I've found that Unity or even just Windows like styling in Gnome is a lot more respectful to your screen real estate.

That is a tradeoff that makes it nice when you have a convertible laptop. I wish it was simply configurable from the settings dialogs.

Could it switch? I think windows has a “tablet mode” which activates when you “convert” your laptop. Not sure how well it works in practice, though.

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by speed_spread »

staticassertion wrote: post #479
bsimpson wrote: post #476

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Apple presumes you have a multitouch pointing device. You can three-finger-swipe between spaces. I know there's a keyboard equivalent, but you'd have to look it up.

> Apple presumes you have a multitouch pointing device. I think that's really bad design. Is that even controversial?

It's especially ironic coming from the company that resisted the two-button mouse for so long because they thought it would confuse people.

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Post by metaltyphoon »

AlexandrB wrote: post #382
ganksalot wrote: post #171

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There are like two dozen apps inside powertoys...

Winamp was like 5MB. Starcraft 1 was something like 900MB. None of the two dozen apps are doing anything that should take so much space. It's probably all bloat from various dependencies. People's expectations of software quality have gotten very low.

Seriously. The collection of tools there shouldn't even be 1/3 of the space being used. Software is so bloated now a days it's crazy to say "ahh 1 GB no problem", "ahh 2GB of memory usage no problem". I hope the RAM + SSD shortage change people's perspective about this.

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by kashnote »

I know this is overkill for almost everyone but for those interested in a tiling window manager, take a look at AeroSpace [0].

No more dragging around windows or manually resizing them - just hotkeys. Took me a while to get used to it but can't live without it now.

0: https://github.com/nikitabobko/AeroSpace

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by prmoustache »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #522
prmoustache wrote: post #251

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That is a tradeoff that makes it nice when you have a convertible laptop. I wish it was simply configurable from the settings dialogs.

Could it switch? I think windows has a “tablet mode” which activates when you “convert” your laptop. Not sure how well it works in practice, though.

I honestly don't know if there is a standardized way to pass the information or if it depends on the brand. I remember in the earlier version of gnome I had on my lenovo yoga the visual keyboard would popup on most text box but not on firefox which obliged me tolo use Gnome Web / epiphany when in tablet mode but they sorted it out later. I think there wasn't a tablet mode per se but I had used gnome tweak or an extension to have the accesibility options easy to access and enable the visual keyboard but it may have been mpre automatic later. I am saying all this out of memory because that computer died 2 years ago and I didn't use the tablet mode enough to replace it with similar one.

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by lunar_rover »

robocat wrote: post #143
userbinator wrote: post #128

What astounds me the most about this whole thing is that the sort of hit testing involved here is a solved problem in UI, and has been for decades, yet there are still plenty of others here and elsewhere arguing about how it isn't. Even with those horrid rounded corners it's not hard, as shown in the article, which makes me wonder whether there is some internal fight between those who didn't want rounded corners (dev…

Mobile Safari has some horrific hit-testing for touches. There's plenty of places where touching near a control incorrectly snaps the tap to the control (sometimes with rather nasty usability consequences). Ideally there should be some way to control the tapzone within CSS. Last time I needed to fix the problem on a page I was responsible for it required adding an HTML element, which was far from ideal. I seem to rec…

"Ideally there should be some way to control the tapzone within CSS."

Sounds like a recipe for troubles. Web UI is designed to be scalable, why not scale to platform standard sizes automatically?

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by kccqzy »

jraph wrote: post #347
hs86 wrote: post #325

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In the past few years, I’ve started to develop a form of “upgrade dread” when it comes to OS upgrades. What are they going to enshittify now? What are they going to drop support for now? This somehow excluded Linux and its DEs, and I eagerly read any news, changelogs, and announcements in this space. They’re still not perfect in every aspect, but at least I see things improving instead of public turf wars between dep…

> I’ve started to develop a form of “upgrade dread” when it comes to OS upgrades. I've been going the other way on Linux. I used to think it might be wise to postpone updates if you were traveling, especially using a rolling distro. Today, I would be quite confident running the updates 10 minutes before leaving. Granted, this is also because I'm more confident than ever that I could fix most breakages, and worst case…

I have a somewhat opposite experience. I also use a rolling distro, and in the past six months, I've seen wine break, and I've also seen Citrix Workspace break due to a dependency problem (perhaps Mesa?). Granted, these two cases are somewhat unusual because Citrix Workspace is closed source and the software I'm running with wine is also closed source. I rarely experience breakages of open source software other than GNOME extensions.

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by EnPissant »

1718627440 wrote: post #521
EnPissant wrote: post #407

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was a Mate user for ages. It's great. Unfortunately, the lack of development is starting to show. For example, no fractional scaling for 4k monitors. I've configured KDE Plasma to look almost identical to Mate (the defaults are similar to Windows, nice, but I prefer the Mate layout): - top panel / bottom panel - desktop switcher bottom right - task bar on bottom - desktop button bottom left - clock top right - app…

> For example, no fractional scaling for 4k monitors. I don't have a 4K monitor, but what does `xrandr --output HDMI1 --scale 0.8x0.8` do? I have a 1024x768 monitor and do to all the useless whitespace in modern programs, I scale into the opposite direction. But I agree Gnome lost the plot completely, and sadly Gtk too. Which is a pity, because I prefer GTK+ to Qt, but they deprecated so much useful Widgets and the a…

You can use xrandr to scale the desktop, but it's not the same thing.

You can render at 2x in Mate, and then scale it down slightly (ie 1.25x1.25) with xrandr, but taking a large image and scaling it down using a cubic filter won't look as sharp as real fractional scaling.

The command you gave is upscaling, which will be worse than 2x + downscaling.

Real fractional scaling scales the sizes of elements before rendering. This results in the sharpest image and there is no resizing/filtering in the loop.

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