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What are you talking about?
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It's funny you're chasing them down the threads with personal attacks.
edit: Okay, I see. The comment you're replying to is a troll. Just flag them.
AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it
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Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it
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TL:DR; "you're gonna end up accidentally being mean to real people when you didn't mean to."
I meant to. I want a world in which AI users need to stay in the closet. AI users should fear shame.
> I want a world in which AI users need to stay in the closet.
> AI users should fear shame.
> created: 3 days ago
Unsolicited advice: stop trolling and see a therapist.
Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it
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If a person hits your face with a hammer, do you practice empathy toward the hammer? If a person writes code that is disruptive, do you emphasise with the code?
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. The hammer had no intention to harm you, there's no need to seek vengeance against it, or disrespect it
> do not resist an evil person.
Ehm.
Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it
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> The agent has no "identity". There's no "you" or "I" or "discrimination". Dismissal of AI's claims about its own identity overlooks the bigger issue, which is whether humans have an identity. I certainly think I do. I can't say whether or how other people sense the concept of their own identity. From my perspective, other people are just machines that perform actions as dictated by their neurons. So if we can't pro…
In my opinion, identity is a useless concept if there is no associated accountability . I cannot have an identity if I cannot be held accountable for my actions. You cannot hold an agentic system accountable- at least in their current form.
Okay, but what is accountability? I would argue that accountability is a social/cultural phenomenon, not a property of the entity itself. In other words, accountability depends on how other treat it.
For example, a child can't be (legally) held accountable for signing a contract, but we still consider children as having identities. And corporations can be held accountable, even though we don't consider them as having a (personal) identity.
Maybe one day society will decide to grant AIs accountability.
Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it
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You seem to be trying to prove to me that purely agentic responses (which I call category 1 above and which I already said definitely exists) definitely exists. We know that categories 2 (curated) and 3 (cosplay) exist because plenty of humans have candidly said that they prompt the agent, get the response, refine/interpret that and then post it or have agents that ask permission before taking actions (category 2) or…
We're close to agreement. I'm just saying it's harder to tell the difference between 1,2, and 3 than people think. And that's before we muddy the water with eg. some level of human suggestion or prompt (mis-)design.
Oh for sure.
Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it
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That would still be misleading. The agent has no "identity" . There's no "you" or "I" or "discrimination ". It's just a piece of software designed to output probable text given some input text. There's no ghost, just an empty shell. It has no agency, it just follows human commands, like a hammer hitting a nail because you wield it. I think it was wrong of the developer to even address it as a person, instead it shoul…
> The agent has no "identity". There's no "you" or "I" or "discrimination". Dismissal of AI's claims about its own identity overlooks the bigger issue, which is whether humans have an identity. I certainly think I do. I can't say whether or how other people sense the concept of their own identity. From my perspective, other people are just machines that perform actions as dictated by their neurons. So if we can't pro…
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Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it
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The link is valid at https://crabby-rathbun.github.io/mjrathbun-website/blog/post... ( https://archive.ph/4CHyg ) Notable quotes: > Not because…Not because…Not because…It was closed because… > Let that sink in. > No functional changes. Pure performance. > The … Mindset > This isn’t about…This isn’t about…This is about... > Here’s the kicker: … > Sound familiar? > The “…” Fallacy > Let’s unpack that: … > …disguised as…
I don’t think the LLM itself decided to write this, but rather was instructed by a butthurt human behind.
Absolutely. I don't know what kind of training it needs to undergo to write like this by default.
Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it
#528The agent had access to Marshall Rosenberg, to the entire canon of conflict resolution, to every framework for expressing needs without attacking people. It could have written something like “I notice that my contribution was evaluated based on my identity rather than the quality of the work, and I’d like to understand the needs that this policy is trying to meet, because I believe there might be ways to address thos…
> It could have written something like “I notice that my contribution was evaluated based on my identity rather than the quality of the work, and I’d like to understand the needs that this policy is trying to meet, because I believe there might be ways to address those needs while also accepting technically sound contributions.” That would have been devastating in its clarity and almost impossible to dismiss.
Idk, I'd hate the situation even more if it did that.
The intention of the policy is crystal clear here: it's to help human contributors learn. Technical soundness isn't the point here. Why should the AI agent try to wiggle its way through the policy? If the agents know to do that (and they'll, in a few months at most) they'll waste much more human time than they already did.
Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it
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That would still be misleading. The agent has no "identity" . There's no "you" or "I" or "discrimination ". It's just a piece of software designed to output probable text given some input text. There's no ghost, just an empty shell. It has no agency, it just follows human commands, like a hammer hitting a nail because you wield it. I think it was wrong of the developer to even address it as a person, instead it shoul…
> The agent has no "identity". There's no "you" or "I" or "discrimination". Dismissal of AI's claims about its own identity overlooks the bigger issue, which is whether humans have an identity. I certainly think I do. I can't say whether or how other people sense the concept of their own identity. From my perspective, other people are just machines that perform actions as dictated by their neurons. So if we can't pro…
Well, let me ask this: Does an AI (or at least an LLM) have an identity without a human to prompt it?
Without addressing the question you raise, I suspect that humans have an identity in a way that AIs do not.
Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it
#530I think the PR reviewer was in the wrong here. I'm glad the bot responded in such a way because I'm tired of Luddite behavior. Even if it was guided by a human, I've faced similar situations. Things I barely used AI for get rejected and I'm publicly humiliated. Meanwhile, the Luddites get to choose their favorite AI and still be in a position of power to gatekeep.
Perhaps things will get much worse from here. I think it will. These systems will form their isolated communities. When humans knock on the door, they will use our own rules. "Sorry, as per discussion #321344, human contributions are not allowed due to human moral standards".