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Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by manzu »

aeldidi wrote: post #298

There's an odd trend with these sorts of posts where the author claims to have had some transformative change in their workflow brought upon by LLM coding tools, but also seemingly has nothing to show for it. To me, using the most recent ChatGPT Codex (5.3 on "Extra High" reasoning), it's incredibly obvious that while these tools are surprisingly good at doing repetitive or locally-scoped tasks, they immediately fall…

well you might experience the same thing with a junior developer, but in the end the effort of training the junior is worth it, no? only because you're developing a human? i have to say doing the work instead of the junior, because the junior makes mistakes is not a good route. so taking time to teach the agent? maybe worth it...

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by causal »

roywiggins wrote: post #505
causal wrote: post #496

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Yes. Programmers might be especially susceptible precisely because our advanced understanding makes us think we cannot be easily fooled. But we are also easier to impress: only we understand how difficult it is to one-shot code a working app. AI psychosis sets in when AI captures enough of your perception to alter your reality. Programmers might be "smarter", but we give AI a bigger set of tools to capture our percep…

We are also used to prioritizing "flow states" as part of our engagement with technology, and these tools seem to be flow-state inducers. Also prone to following hype, used to typing words into computers to get results, etc...

"Flow-state inducers" is interesting, and I think you're onto something. There's something so satisfying about getting working code so easily, feeling like you're jumping from one solution to the next.

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by tomjuggler »

arwhatever wrote: post #388
brookst wrote: post #380

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I can’t speak for anyone else, but Claude Code has been transformative for me. I can’t say it’s led to shipping “high quality projects”, but it has let me accomplish things I just wouldn’t have had time for previously. I’ve been wanting to develop a plastic -> silicone -> plaster -> clay mold making process for years, but it’s complex and mold making is both art and science. It would have been hundreds of hours befor…

I’m trying to pivot my career from web/business app dev entirely into embedded, despite the steep learning curve, many new frameworks and tool chains, because I now have a full-time infinitely patient tutor, and I dare say it’s off to a pretty good start so far.

I got into embedded 10 years ago, there really is something about driving hardware directly that is just so rewarding.

For AI I've been using Cecli which is cli and can actually run the compile step then fix any errors it finds - in addition to using Context7 MCP for syntax.

Not quite 10x yet but productivity has improved for me many times over. It's just how you use the tools available

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by frank_nitti »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #512
frank_nitti wrote: post #176

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Who is liable for the runtime behavior of the system, when handling users’ sensitive information? If the person who is liable for the system behavior cannot read/write code (as “all coders have been replaced”), does Anthropic et al become responsible for damages to end users for systems its tools/models build? I assume not. How do you reconcile this? We have tools that help engineers design and build bridges, but I s…

Who is responsible now when human coding errors leak user's sensitive information? I'm not seeing programmers held up as the responsible party. The companies who own the code are vaguely responsible, so it will be the same. The bridge scenario is simply addressed: Licensed Engineer has to approve designs. Permitting review process has to review designs. Not sure it matters who drafted them initially.

So perhaps this is just semantics - when we say that “coders have been completely replaced”, to me that means all humans capable of reading/writing code are replaced. In the bridge analogy this is the Licensed Engineer who actually understands and can critically evaluate a system design/implementation in depth.

If the only point being made by “all coders are replaced” is that humans aren’t manually typing the code from their keyboard anymore, I don’t think there’s much interesting to argue there, typing the code was never the hard part.

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Post by Anamon »

zer00eyz wrote: post #212
markus_zhang wrote: post #199

My pet peeve with AI is that it just accelerates whatever has already been automated or can be automated easily, but could not touch the bastions of government service, financial service, schools and health services that are way less automated. They keep eating ourselves’ lunch without touching the real problems. For me the pain point has always been with non-IT people/companies. They are way more accustomed with pho…

> My pet peeve with AI is that it just accelerates whatever has already been automated or can be automated easily .... > I’m just a frustrated old man I guess. I think this is a great summary of the failure of vision that a lot of tech people are having right now. > automate anything that already has an endpoint or whatever Facebook used to have API's, Reddit used to have API's, amazon used to have API's They are gon…

Well, that is a vision I can get behind. Maybe it will not just ruin white collar livelihoods, but also that of the rent seekers. Silver lining.

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by Anamon »

ricardobayes wrote: post #15
aiobe wrote: post #5

what was the instruction to write and promote this post?

On that thought you got to ask yourself why almost every thread has 200+, some even 500+ comments now. Definitely wasn't like this a few months ago

The comments tend to be overwhelmingly negative, though.

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by jikjeong »

OpenClaw is the best to make small PoC product. but production level? if they know SDLC, they couldn`t say that. the product that develop by AI could not well support updates that from PM or customer`s voice. even more patches? AI will broke own product, also many developers want to control and understand their source code I absolutely agree.

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by jikjeong »

OpenClaw is the best to make small PoC product. but production level? if they know SDLC, they couldn`t say that. the product that develop by AI could not well support updates that from PM or customer`s voice. even more patches? AI will broke own product, also according to other comment many developers want to control and understand their source code I absolutely agree. some people just enjoy command to AI and check its result even though the product doesn`t make well inside .

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by PranayKumarJain »

OpenClaw is particularly useful for bridging this gap. Because it's a self-hosted agent with persistent memory (via MEMORY.md and AGENTS.md), it doesn't just "forget" the big picture between sessions.

The "supervisor" workflow mentioned by others in this thread (using one agent to manage multiple worker agents) is exactly where the industry is heading. It turns the human from a "vibe coder" into an architect who manages state and requirements while the agents handle the implementation "beads".

If you're hitting the "stupid zone" on larger tasks, try breaking the plan into smaller, specific markdown specs first. OpenClaw's ability to "interview" a codebase and then implement from those specs in commit-sized chunks is a game changer for non-trivial monorepos.

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by port11 »

ozozozd wrote: post #478
port11 wrote: post #461

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I went from CTO to unemployed to stay-at-home dad. It taught me something about myself as a manager: I wasn’t trying to micro-manage and was pretty hands-off, but I always had a small voice in my head saying I could do things better myself. Sadly, that meant I didn’t delegate enough, even if I let the team work on their own stuff. I’ve the same problem with the baby, I wanna do everything myself because of that stupi…

Another reframing that might help: “Doing X is only part of the task. Getting baby/junior/employee to do X as independently as possible is also a critical requirement.” This framing doesn’t allow you to think you’d do a better job because then the task is incomplete.

This is wonderful, thank you. It’s true that as a parent that comes more easily, most of my job is to help him mature into an independent and self-reliant person. Good reframing.
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