The discussion around any AI topic trends towards these low-quality hype train type discussions. It’s like I live in a separate world than these people. AI is useful but it is so extremely limited and error-prone. It makes me question the skill of the people writing articles like this.
Coding agents have replaced every framework I used
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Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used
#522Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think we have some pretty good power tools now, but using them appropriately is a skill issue, and some people are learning to use them in a very expensive way.
> appropriately is a skill issue or maybe its a ux issue? maybe chatbot style interfaces are just an artifact of the medium? people talk about setting up harnesses and feedback loops etc, but a lot of the ux is a frankly mess...
I find that chat is pretty good when you're describing what you want to do, for saying "actually, I wanted something different," or for giving it a bug report. For making fine adjustments to CSS, it would be nice if you could ask the bot for a slider or a color picker that makes live updates.
Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used
#523A significant number of developers and businesses are going to have an absolutely brutal rude awakening in the not too distant future. You can build things this way, and they may work for a time, but you don't know what you don't know (and experience teaches you that you only find most stuff by building/struggling; not sipping a soda while the AI blurts out potentially secure/stable code). The hubris around AI is goi…
coding agents are an order of magnitude better than they were less than a year ago: Claude code, arguable the best, didn't exist a year ago and nonetheless, is an order better than when it did in late February.
It's really not a great sense of things for someone working in tech to make such a strong statement as the above given these circumstances. There is no reason to expect improvement will not continue, that agents' ability to review code-- drastically improved even since May/June, won't improve and, to the extend your concerns are valid about current agents, be able to manage the review and surfacing of issues for review and remediation.
This also ignores the growing awareness within the community of professional developers that, yes, blind trust-- as naively but minimally understandable given lack of knowledge on capabilities-- that blind trust cannot be given, and reasonable review of generated code at the end of a session is good practice. Developers are quite often already changing their habits with agents, if they were even avoiding such review before.
As for companies that may fire developers, rely near completely on agentic coding? I agree with the sentiment, but I really have not seen that happen to any great degree.
I won't assume this is the case for you, you may very well have dug in depth and worked with agents like claude code, understanding how best to scaffold by creating skills and agents, and still come to your conclusions. I would hope so. For the most part though, a large number of the people making comments of this sort seem to betray directly or indirectly that they-- nearly by definition of distrusting these agents and therefore avoiding them-- have little idea of what they are dismissing precisely because they have not taken the time to do more than dismiss them after little more than cursory review.
At the same time, many notable developers of significant accomplished near daily comment in pages here sharing experiences of true capability and assistance by these agents.
Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used
#524Earlier quoted context omitted.
You haven't worked somewhere where you're working on multiple different microservices each written by different teams in different languages?
That absolutely sounds like a case where AI will only plaster over the problem and eventually make it worse.
I don't see how...
Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used
#525A significant number of developers and businesses are going to have an absolutely brutal rude awakening in the not too distant future. You can build things this way, and they may work for a time, but you don't know what you don't know (and experience teaches you that you only find most stuff by building/struggling; not sipping a soda while the AI blurts out potentially secure/stable code). The hubris around AI is goi…
Every single CVE at least prior to the last couple years was written by a human. Azure and AWS have failed or have been compromised in embarrassing ways. I don’t take this human good, machine bad argument seriously. On the bright side, high integrity software may finally be an expectation for customers paying for software as “barely works” is becoming practically free.
Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used
#526Earlier quoted context omitted.
Have you seen moltbook? One dude coded reddit clone for bots in less the a week. How is it not at least 10x of what was achievable in pre-ai world? Granted he left the db open to public, but some meat powered startups did exactly the same few years ago.
Any semi-capable coder could build a Reddit clone by themselves in a week since forever. It's a glorified CRUD app. The barrier to creating a full blown Reddit the huge scaling, not the functionality. But with AWS, Azure, Google Cloud, and backends like S3, CF etc, this hasn't been a barrier since a decade or more, either.
I think you’re wrong in several ways.
Even capable coders can’t create a Reddit clone in a week. Because it’s not just a glorified CRUD app. And I encourage you to think a bit harder before arguing like that.
Yes you can create a CRUD app in some kind of framework and style it like Reddit. But that’s like putting lines on your lawn and calling it a clone of the Bernabeu.
But even if you were right, the real barrier to building a Reddit clone is getting traction. Even if you went viral and did everything right, you’d still have to wait years before you have the brand recognition and SEO rankings they enjoy.
Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used
#527Earlier quoted context omitted.
Mind is irrelevant. We see the features performing before our eyes, it’s wild people deny code gens abilities still.
They do okay-ish for things that don't matter and if you don't look that hard. If you do look, the "features" turn out to be very limited, or not do what they claim or not work at all.
It’s still a collaborative and iterative process. That doesn’t mean they don’t work. I don’t need ai to one shot my entire job for it to be crazy useful.
Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used
#528There's a middle ground here that doesn't get discussed enough. Coding agents haven't replaced frameworks for me — they've changed how I interact with them. I still use the same tools, but now the agent handles the boilerplate and repetitive parts while I focus on architecture decisions and edge cases. The "vibe code only" crowd will hit a wall eventually, but dismissing agents entirely because some people misuse them is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. The real skill is knowing when to let the agent drive vs when to take the wheel.
Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used
#529Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would argue that it's going to be the opposite. At re:Invent, one of the popular sessions was in creating a trio of SRE agents, one of which did nothing but read logs and report errors, one of which did analysis of the errors and triaged and proposed fixes, and one to do the work and submit PRs to your repo. Then, as part of the session, you would artificially introduce a bug into the system, then run into the bug…
I agree with both you and the GP. Yes, coding is being totally revolutionized by AI, and we don't really know where the ceiling will be (though I'm skeptical we'll reach true AGI any time soon), but I believe there still an essential element of understanding how computer systems work that is required to leverage AI in a sustainable way. There is some combination of curiosity of inner workings and precision of thought…
What an awful professor! When I first tried to learn pointers, I didn't get it. I tried again 6 months later and suddenly it clicked. The same thing happened for another guy I was learning with.
So the professor just gaslit years of students into thinking they were too dumb to get programming, and also left them with the developmental disability of "if you can't figure something out in a few days, you'll never get it".
Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used
#530Earlier quoted context omitted.
I make mission critical software for robust multi robotic control in production flying real robots every day 16% of our production codebase is generated from claude or another LLM Just because you can’t do it doesn’t mean other people can’t Denial is a river
CTO at Gambit AI? How generous of you to talk your book while insulting us. At least we know what to avoid.
What does “talk my book” mean?
I don’t have a book
Edit: Apparently a financial term to mean “talk up your stock” which…if you don’t think that’s a good metric then why would you consider it talking my book lol cmon mayne