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Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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my understanding is that they can hold you for a couple days without charges for your insubordination but as a citizen they have to let you back into the country or officially arrest you, try to get an actual warrant, etc.

they can just break the law

There is no law when entering the country. They can do everything they want, or making up anything they'll imagine.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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> The "cryptographically sound seed" however is stored inside the secure enclave for anyone with the capability to extract. Sorry, I'm not sure I follow here. Is anyone believed to have the capability to extract keys from the SE? The secure enclave (or any Root of Trust) do not allow direct access to keys, they keep the keys locked away internally and use them at your request to do crypto operations. You never get di…

> Is your concern the secure enclave in an iPhone is deflatable, and in such a way as to allow key extraction of device unique seeds it protects? This is a safe assumption to make as the secret bits are sitting in a static location known to anyone with the design documents. Actually getting to them may of course be very challenging. > Do you have any literature or references where this is known to have occurred? I'm…

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Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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uhm, are you saying its not possible to require an actual password to unlock osx?

> uhm, are you saying its not possible to require an actual password to unlock osx? uhm, are saying that i'm saying that? if so, please show me where i said that. thank you

no, thats why i was asking, as i was not fully sure what you meant

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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There is a way now to force BFU from a phone that is turned on, I can't remember the sequence

It’s called restarting the phone.

I believe doing the standard Restart everyone knows is not enough though. The instructions saw were these

Quick-press Volume Up, then Quick-press Volume Down. Hold the side power button until the screen turns black (approx. 10 seconds). Immediately hold both the side button and the Volume Down button for 5 seconds. Release the side button but continue holding the Volume Down button for another 10 seconds. The screen will remain black. If the Apple logo appears, the side button was held too long, and the process must be repeated.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Remember...they can make you use touch id...they can't make you give them your password. https://x.com/runasand/status/2017659019251343763?s=20 The FBI was able to access Washington Post reporter Hannah Natanson's Signal messages because she used Signal on her work laptop. The laptop accepted Touch ID for authentication, meaning the agents were allowed to require her to unlock it.

One thing I miss from windows (on mac now) is there was an encrypted vault program that you could have hide so it wasn't on the desktop or program list but could still be launched. That way you could have private stuff that attackers would likely not even know was there.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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I'll bite. Why is it so terrible? I'm browsing this site right now on my phone and don't see the horror.

Phone networks by design track you more precisely than possible over a conventional internet connection to facilitate the automatic connection to the nearest available network. Also, for similar reasons it requires the phone network to know that it is your phone

Installed apps can track you even more, so what you're arguing for is presumably not "don't use websites on your phone", but rather "do not use your phone, just use your desktop computer".

Which sure, not using your phone is more secure, but good luck convincing users that they shouldn't use any apps or websites on the go.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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I guess technically musk rounds to a trillion. 852B acc to Forbes

That would be some aggressive rounding.

Yes and no. Obviously it’s unusual rounding or I wouldn’t have said “I guess technically,” but rounding is all about domains and relevant precision. To be honest, when someone says “billionaires” I don’t assume that the number 1,000,000 is a meaningful hard cut off. I assume we’re talking about the ones who are three orders of magnitude up from “millionaire” and orders of magnitude work by rounding from .5.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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>* Lockdown Mode disables javascript JIT in the browser - I want fast javascript, I use some websites and apps that cannot function without it, and non-JIT js drains battery more This feature has the benefit of teaching users (correctly) that browsing the internet on a phone has always been a terrible idea.

I'll bite. Why is it so terrible? I'm browsing this site right now on my phone and don't see the horror.

No keyboard, no mouse, tiny screen. Every single action you'd like to take is slower and more cumbersome. Want to selection a portion of a URL? Well, get ready for an adventure. Tap the URL bar once, then -- oops, now it thinks you want to copy. You can't tap the individual sections. Try to move the little "copy bars" but oops, the press didn't register because they're tiny. Spend about a minute randomly pressing the URL bar until you can actually get the behavior your want. Or, try to switch tabs. It's not hard per se, but it's an order off magnitude slower than ctrl+tab. Or search within a page. Can you just hit ctrl+g and start typing and then press ctrl+g again? No, no, you need to enter a menu, enter a submenu, then wait for the onscreen keyboard to show up, then glide your finger over that with a few corrections, then move your finger down the the tiny next button.

It's all objectively terrible, and it accomplishes nothing except allowing the user to use the internet right then and there.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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post #383

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He was begging to go party with someone that spent time in prison for child exploitation. That in itself should make you hate the dude.

Yup. Hate him as person. But he is still net positive with his scientific/engineering contributions, is he not? Wasn't Edison an asshole?

Maybe, but I personally don't believe whatever engineering contributions (money?) he made outweigh the regressions he's caused elsewhere. I think the world would be better off without him.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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> Essentially, the question referenced here is that of ownership. Is it your device, or did you rent it from Apple/Samsung/etc. If it is locked down so that you can't do anything you want with it, then you might not actually be its owner. Both goals actually are possible to implement at the same time: Secure/Verified Boot together with actually audited, preferably open-source, as-small-as-possible code in the boot an…

The TPM can be programmed (ie designed) to lie about the whitelist though.

That's where the open source part gets relevant. Harder to sneak in a backdoor when the entire design is open sourced, formally proven and (at least theoretically, given that this needs skill and is a destructive attack) everyone can verify with a microscope and a camera that the actual silicon layout matches what is specified in the design.
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