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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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So France is raiding offices of US military contractor?

I know it's hard to grasp for you. But in France, french laws and jurisdiction applies, not those of the United States

To be fair, it is common confusion. In other comments, you see people arguing by US constitution.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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This vindicates the pro-AI censorship crowd I guess. It definitely makes it clear what is expected of AI companies. Your users aren't responsible for what they use your model for, you are, so you'd better make sure your model can't ever be used for anything nefarious. If you can't do that without keeping the model closed and verifying everyone's identities... well, that's good for your profits I guess.

Let’s take a step back and remove AI generation from the conversation for a moment.

Did X do enough to prevent its website being used to distribute illegal content - consensual sexual material of both adults and children?

Now reintroduce AI generation, where X plays a more active role in facilitating the creation of that illegal content.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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This vindicates the pro-AI censorship crowd I guess. It definitely makes it clear what is expected of AI companies. Your users aren't responsible for what they use your model for, you are, so you'd better make sure your model can't ever be used for anything nefarious. If you can't do that without keeping the model closed and verifying everyone's identities... well, that's good for your profits I guess.

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That is not the same.

Correct comparison would be:

You provide a photo studio with an adjacent art gallery and allow people to shoot CSAM content there and then exhibit their work.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Car manufacturers are required to add features to make it less likely that cars kill babies. What would happen if Volvo made a special baby-killing model with extra spikes?

Aren't a lot of US pickup trucks basically that? Sure, maybe there's a mechanism for preventing you from installing a baby seat in reverse to position in front of an airbag, but they're also built so that you can't see anything adult human sized 15m in front of the car, let alone anything child-sized.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Honest question: What does it mean to "raid" the offices of a tech company? It's not like they have file cabinets with paper records. Are they just seizing employee workstations? Seems like you'd want to subpoena source code or gmail history or something like that. Not much interesting in an office these days.

Sadly the media calls the lawful use of a warrant a 'raid' but that's another issue. The warrant will have detailed what it is they are looking for, French warrants (and legal system!) are quite a bit different than the US but in broad terms operate similarly. It suggests that an enforcement agency believes that there is evidence of a crime at the offices. As a former IT/operations guy I'd guess they want on-prem ser…

It is a raid in that it's not expected, it relies on not being expected, and they come and take away your stuff by force. Maybe it's a legal raid, but let's not sugar coat it, it's still a raid and whether you're guilty or not it will cause you a lot of problems.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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That is not the same. Correct comparison would be: You provide a photo studio with an adjacent art gallery and allow people to shoot CSAM content there and then exhibit their work.

Not knowing any better, and not having seen any of the alleged images, my default guess would be they used the exact same CSAM filtering pipeline already in place on X regardless of the origin of the submitted images.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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This vindicates the pro-AI censorship crowd I guess. It definitely makes it clear what is expected of AI companies. Your users aren't responsible for what they use your model for, you are, so you'd better make sure your model can't ever be used for anything nefarious. If you can't do that without keeping the model closed and verifying everyone's identities... well, that's good for your profits I guess.

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If the camera reliably inserts racist filters and the ballpen would add hurtful words to whatever you write, indeed, let them up their legal insurance.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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How does that mesh with all the safe harbour provisions we've depended on to make the modern internet, though?

Before a USER did create content. So the user was / is liable. Now a LLM owned by a company does create content. So the company is liable.

I'm not trying to make excuses for Grok, but how exactly isn't the user creating the content? Grok doesn't have create images on its own volition, the user is still required to give it some input, therefore "creating" the content.
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