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Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by nunez »

kemotep wrote: post #127

Microsoft really needs to get a better handle with the naming conventions. There is Microsoft Copilot, which replaced Bing Chat, Cortana and uses OpenAI’s GPT-4 and 5 models. There is Github Copilot, the coding autocomplete tool. There is Microsoft 365 Copilot, what they now call Office with built in GenAI stuff. There is also a Copilot cli that lets you use whatever agent/model backend you want too? Everything is Co…

It's the same with Gemini for Google Workspace.

I asked it to create a slide deck for me, within Slides, based on a block of notes I wrote. It wouldn't do it. The chat assistant at gemini.google.com wouldn't do it either. They told me how to do it step by step though...which I knew how to do already. Useless.

I also tried the `AI()` Sheets function to fill a range in based on some other data in the sheet. It doesn't accept other ranges, even if you use the &CELL_REF& notation.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by chocochunks »

joegibbs wrote: post #469
hightrix wrote: post #337

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To further your argument, look at the XBOX. It is impossible to tell which is the latest model by name alone. Where the playstation is simple, the latest is the 5, the previous was the 4, and the one before that was the 3.

The Xbox One. "Oh you mean the original one?" No the one that came after the 360. "The third one?" No that was the second one, the One was the third. "OK what are they on now?" The Series series. "The Series series?" Yeah the X and S. Don't confuse that with the Xbox One X or S, or the 360 S. "Right but what's the difference?" The X is better than the S because X is a bigger letter. But they run the same games, but t…

Oh and your Xbox Controller S won't work with your Xbox One S but it will work with your original Xbox.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by dahcryn »

Sharlin wrote: post #396
coffeebeqn wrote: post #385

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Oh no I just realized the next generation will be called Microsoft 365 Xbox Copilot

There will be an integrated voice LLM that hallucinates advice and "useful" tips as you play and cannot be turned off

"All you have to do is follow the damn train, user"

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by dangus »

tylerchilds wrote: post #465
dangus wrote: post #462

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1. Not related to the issue at hand, a completely different system implemented in a completely different way. 2. Settlements are just that: settlements. You can be sued frivolously and still decide to settle because it’s cheaper/less risky.

1. Any kernel level vulnerability nullify any formal protections Microsoft guarantees as the first party https://www.bcs.org/articles-opinion-and-research/crowdstrik... 2. Settlements also avoid discovery because the impact is likely way worse than checks notes less than one day of profits per company, respectively.

1. More irrelevant stuff. A kernel level vulnerability can nullify all sorts of good faith security design.

2. I could sue you today for, well, pretty much anything. I don’t have a good case but I can file that lawsuit right now. Would you rather take my settlement offer of $50 or pay a lawyer to go to trial and potentially spend the next months/years of your life in court? You can’t make a blanket statement to say that every company that decides to settle has something to hide, or, similarly, that everyone who exercises their 4th amendment rights has something to hide. I will also point out that companies that make lots of money are huge lawsuit targets, e.g., patent trolls sue large corporations all the time.

Don’t forget we are here talking about a fully optional feature that isn’t even turned on by default. I’m not telling you to love Windows Recall, turn it off or switch to Linux if you don’t love it. My only point is that it’s gotten a lot of incorrect news and social media coverage that is factually untrue and designed to get clicks and reinforce feelings.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by Daishiman »

bluGill wrote: post #451
theflyinghorse wrote: post #322

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Workflow is this: - I have emacs open for code editing/reviews/git. - Separate terminal emulator with 1-3 claudes - I work on a story by splitting it into small steps ("Let's move this email logic to the email.service.ts", "here's the fields I'd need to add to the request, create a schema validation in a separate file, and update the router and controller") - I mostly watch claude, and occasionally walk through the c…

At that point though isn't it just as fast/easy to cut/paste the code yourself? That was my conclusion after spending a week breaking things down - I was able to get good code out of the AI, but only after spending as much time writing the prompt as if I just did it myself. (note that this was my first attempt at using an agent, maybe I'll learn to do it better)

With some experience you start getting the hand of how big a task you can hand off, and then you give the agent a way to test the changes, like using a browser and checking for a component, or adding unit tests for the backend.

Having a tight feedback loop for agents is critical for getting good output.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by 9x39 »

kemotep wrote: post #127

Microsoft really needs to get a better handle with the naming conventions. There is Microsoft Copilot, which replaced Bing Chat, Cortana and uses OpenAI’s GPT-4 and 5 models. There is Github Copilot, the coding autocomplete tool. There is Microsoft 365 Copilot, what they now call Office with built in GenAI stuff. There is also a Copilot cli that lets you use whatever agent/model backend you want too? Everything is Co…

For being supposedly the same models with how close MS and OpenAI supposedly are, it's bizarrely bad.

I was trying to just get an Excel function dialed in with some IFs and formatting weirdness. The licensed Microsoft 365 Copilot built into Excel tried several times and failed miserably. One screenshot to ChatGPT (5.1?) and it was one-shot.

I'm not even sure it's the same models any more. It feels years behind. Maybe they limit it or cripple it somehow.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by 1718627440 »

lionkor wrote: post #263
adamrezich wrote: post #200

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> Laptops sell with Copilot buttons now. Is it the context menu key? Or did they do another Ctrl+Alt+Shift+Win+L thing?

Oh no it's a new key and it's on your keyboard.

The issue is less that it is a new key and more that the menu key is missing instead.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by zrn900 »

paxys wrote: post #111

For one reason or another everyone seems to be sleeping on Gemini. I have been exclusively using Gemini 3 Flash to code these days and it stands up right alongside Opus and others while having a much smaller, faster and cheaper footprint. Combine it with Antigravity and you're basically using a cheat code.

What everyone is really sleeping on is Deepseek paid API with Cline and VSCode. An agent that can refactor entire codebases with a 128.0k context window that costs dimes. It generates entire blocks of code and tests them for $0.02 a pop. Deepseek paid API brings the low cost large context window and memory. VSCode the interface, CLine the agent.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by tylerchilds »

dangus wrote: post #524
tylerchilds wrote: post #465

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Any kernel level vulnerability nullify any formal protections Microsoft guarantees as the first party https://www.bcs.org/articles-opinion-and-research/crowdstrik... 2. Settlements also avoid discovery because the impact is likely way worse than checks notes less than one day of profits per company, respectively.

1. More irrelevant stuff. A kernel level vulnerability can nullify all sorts of good faith security design. 2. I could sue you today for, well, pretty much anything. I don’t have a good case but I can file that lawsuit right now. Would you rather take my settlement offer of $50 or pay a lawyer to go to trial and potentially spend the next months/years of your life in court? You can’t make a blanket statement to say t…

1. Most people don’t realize kernel hacks undermine their entire mental model of security— tbh, only after crowdstrike did I learn it was possible to mass blue screen a population by a security vendor

2. I’m very much already on Linux, most of my threat model is: “if it’s technically possible, it’s probable” and I adjust my technology choices accordingly

I’m just saying a max cap of $60 for Apple’s settlement sets precedence for future mass surveillance wrist slaps and maybe it would be worth the discovery process to uncover the actual global impact

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by mgkimsal »

georgeven wrote: post #366
mgkimsal wrote: post #154

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> No, there is Github Copilot, the AI agent tool that also has autocomplete, and a chat UI. When it came out, Github Copilot was an autocomplete tool. That's it. That may be what the OP was originally using. That's what I used... 2 years ago. That they change the capabilities but don't change the name, yet change names on services that don't change capabilities further illustrates the OP's point, I would say.

It was actually nearly 5 years ago!

Thanks... 2 years felt a bit too recent. I think I was trialing copilot in late 2022, and then got turned on to ... codeium/windsurf in late 2023. The years are merging together now. :/
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