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Microsoft gave FBI set of BitLocker encryption keys to unlock suspects' laptops

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Re: Microsoft gave FBI set of BitLocker encryption keys to unlock suspects' laptops

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Isn't it the same with many Linux distros? Updates are using root to run?

It's largely the same for all automatic updating systems that don't protect against personalized updates. I don't know the status of the updating systems of the various distributions; if some use server-delivered scripts run as root, that's potentially a further powerful attack avenue. But I was assuming that the update process itself is safe; the problem is that you usually don't have guarantees that the updates you…

> the problem is that you usually don't have guarantees that the updates you get are genuine

A point of order: you do have that guarantee for most Linux distro packages. All 70,000 of them in Debian's case. And all Linux distro distribute their packages anonymously, so they can never target just one individual.

That's primarily because they aren't trying to make money out of you. Making money requires a billing relationship, and tracking which of your customers own what. Off the back of that governments can demand particular users are targeted with "special" updates. Australia in particular demands commercial providers do that with its "Assistance and Access Bill (2018)" and I'm sure most governments in the OECD have equivalents.

Re: Microsoft gave FBI set of BitLocker encryption keys to unlock suspects' laptops

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People know the system well enough to write FOSS implementations of it; I think they would have noticed and sounded the alarm if there were a possible master key.

I don't think anybody is interested in reverse-engineering closed-source OS to check if it works as documented; it;s easier to just use Linux which has open-source code.

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Re: Microsoft gave FBI set of BitLocker encryption keys to unlock suspects' laptops

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> ... The hackers would still need physical access to the hard drives to use the stolen recovery keys.

This is incorrect. A full disk image can easily obtained remotely, then mounted wherever the hacking is located. The host machine will happily ask for the Bitlocker key and make the data available.

This is a standard process for remote forensic image collection and can be accomplished surreptitiously with COTS.

Re: Microsoft gave FBI set of BitLocker encryption keys to unlock suspects' laptops

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What laptops would you recommend? I didn’t realise framework laptops struggled with Linux?

Lenovo T and X series are excellent and cheap as dirt used. There is also System 76. Or you could get a MacBook and boot Linux on that. Some older ones work well, I hear.

I use an old Lenovo AIO PC to dual boot Linux Mint and Windows 10. It works well from a hardware and firmware perspective, but I've deliberately avoided Windows 11 as it is crapware.

I have done triple booting of MacOS, Linux and Windows on an old Mac Mini, and it was a nightmare to get them working, but worked well once set up.

I think well known brands and models of PCs are better for such alternative setups, rather than obscure PCs.

Re: Microsoft gave FBI set of BitLocker encryption keys to unlock suspects' laptops

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FYI BitLocker is on by default in Windows 11. The defaults will also upload the BitLocker key to a Microsoft Account if available. This is why the FBI can compel Microsoft to provide the keys. It's possible, perhaps even likely, that the suspect didn't even know they had an encrypted laptop. Journalists love the "Microsoft gave " framing because it makes Microsoft sound like they're handing these out because they lik…

As someone who has benefiter ones from this, I have to say: good.

In my humble opinion: the current state is better than no encryption at all. For example: Laptop theft, scavengers trying to find pictures, etc. And if you think you are target of either Microsoft or the law enforcement manage your keys yourself or go straight to Linux.

Re: Microsoft gave FBI set of BitLocker encryption keys to unlock suspects' laptops

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FYI BitLocker is on by default in Windows 11. The defaults will also upload the BitLocker key to a Microsoft Account if available. This is why the FBI can compel Microsoft to provide the keys. It's possible, perhaps even likely, that the suspect didn't even know they had an encrypted laptop. Journalists love the "Microsoft gave " framing because it makes Microsoft sound like they're handing these out because they lik…

All that is true and the spin I focus on is can Microsoft have implemented it such that they have zero (ish) knowledge by default.

We know iCloud has configurations that can’t disclosed, and I wonder if there is a middle ground between if you loose the recovery key you are stuffed and maybe have a recovery key unblocked by a password similar to ssh keys

Re: Microsoft gave FBI set of BitLocker encryption keys to unlock suspects' laptops

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I think most people don't understand that 99% of people don't know what data encryption is and definitely don't care about it. If it weren't for Bitlocker, their laptops wouldn't be encrypted at all! And of course if your software (Windows) encrypts by default but you don't want to bother the average user with the details (because they don't know anything about this or care about it) you will need to store the key in…

> If it weren't for Bitlocker, their laptops wouldn't be encrypted at all! And because of Bitlocker, their encryption is worth nothing in the end. > if these people were using Linux, their laptops wouldn't be encrypted Maybe, maybe not. Ubuntu and Fedora both have FDE options in the installer. That's objectively more honest and secure than forcing a flawed default in my opinion.

> And because of Bitlocker, their encryption is worth nothing in the end.

No, it's worth exactly what it's meant for: in case your laptop gets stolen!

> flawed default

Look, in terms of flaws I would argue 'the government can for legal reasons request the key to decrypt my laptop' is pretty low down there. Again, we're dealing with the general populace here; if it's a choice between them getting locked out of their computer completely vs the government being able to decrypt their laptop this is clearly the better option. Those who actually care about privacy will setup FDE themselves, and everyone else gets safety in case their laptop gets stolen.

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