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Re: Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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Post by netsharc »

alanning wrote: post #452
cush wrote: post #372

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I'll bite 1. Have a user interface. Sometimes I'll ask a question and Siri actually provides a good enough answer, and while I'm reading it, the Siri response window just disappears. Siri is this modal popup with no history, no App, and no UI at all really. Siri doesn't have a user interface, and it should have one so that I can go back to sessions and resume them or reference them later and interact with Siri in mor…

My wife and I got a kick out of your “Games at Dave's house” example. Thanks for sharing

Burnie Burns of Rooster Teeth made a massage appointment with the head of Xbox programming (luckily Siri was not that competent that it said "Mr. Appointment" in the invite)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r499DeN770M

Re: Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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espadrine wrote: post #519
Workaccount2 wrote: post #58

If nothing else, this was likely driven by Google being the most stable of the AI labs. Gemini is objectively a good model (whether it's #1 or #5 in ranking aside) so Apple can confidently deliver a good (enough) product. Also for Apple, they know their provider has ridiculously deep pockets, a good understanding and infrastructure in place for large enterprises, and a fairly diversified revenue stream. Going with An…

Counterpoint: iOS’s biggest competitor is Android. They are now effectively funding their competition on a core product interface. I see this as strategically devastating.

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Re: Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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Post by _fw »

teekert wrote: post #518
muvlon wrote: post #515

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USB-C I guess?

Weeeeelllll that was mainstream a long long time before they adopted it. And I'm still annoyed that the only devices with Lightning in our house are my Airpods en iPhone mini 12 and wife's iPhone 14 Pro. Always need to attach an adapter to my Anker chargers and powerbanks.

I think the person you’re replying to meant MacBooks. They were USB-C exclusively way before Windows machines.

Re: Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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Post by compounding_it »

espadrine wrote: post #519
Workaccount2 wrote: post #58

If nothing else, this was likely driven by Google being the most stable of the AI labs. Gemini is objectively a good model (whether it's #1 or #5 in ranking aside) so Apple can confidently deliver a good (enough) product. Also for Apple, they know their provider has ridiculously deep pockets, a good understanding and infrastructure in place for large enterprises, and a fairly diversified revenue stream. Going with An…

Counterpoint: iOS’s biggest competitor is Android. They are now effectively funding their competition on a core product interface. I see this as strategically devastating.

Is android really iOSs competition ? I feel like the competition is less android more vendors who use android. Every android phone feels different. Android doesn’t even compete on performance anymore the chips are quite behind. The target audience of the two feels different lately.

Re: Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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Post by illiac786 »

blitzar wrote: post #134
concinds wrote: post #97

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An Apple-developed LLM would likely be worse than SOTA, even if they dumped billions on compute. They'll never attract as much talent as the others, especially given how poorly their AI org was run (reportedly). The weird secrecy will be a turnoff. The culture is worse and more bureaucratic. The past decade has shown that Apple is unwilling to fix these things. So I'm glad Apple was forced to overcome their Not-Inven…

Apple might have gotten very lucky here ... the money might be in finding uses, and selling physical products rather than burning piles of cash training models that are SOTA for 5 minutes before being yet another model in a crowded field. My money is still on Apple and Google to be the winners from LLMs.

I agree. That’s why I think EU‘s DMA is visionary, even if not perfect. LLM wars will prove EU regulators right I anticipate.

Re: Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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Post by baxtr »

cush wrote: post #372
baxtr wrote: post #289

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What are the top 3 features you’re missing right now?

I'll bite 1. Have a user interface. Sometimes I'll ask a question and Siri actually provides a good enough answer, and while I'm reading it, the Siri response window just disappears. Siri is this modal popup with no history, no App, and no UI at all really. Siri doesn't have a user interface, and it should have one so that I can go back to sessions and resume them or reference them later and interact with Siri in mor…

Thanks for sharing. 1. Could be fixed today. 2./3. need a good enough LLM.

btw: I hope you will visit Dave's House someday in the future.

Re: Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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Post by joe_mamba »

compounding_it wrote: post #524
espadrine wrote: post #519

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Counterpoint: iOS’s biggest competitor is Android. They are now effectively funding their competition on a core product interface. I see this as strategically devastating.

Is android really iOSs competition ? I feel like the competition is less android more vendors who use android. Every android phone feels different. Android doesn’t even compete on performance anymore the chips are quite behind. The target audience of the two feels different lately.

>Is android really iOSs competition ?

It ISN'T in this day and age. People don't switch back and forth between iOS and Android like it's still 2010. They use whatever they got locken in initially since their first smartphone or where Apple's green/blue-bubble issue pushed them to or what their family handed them down or what their close friend groups used to have.

People who've been using iOS for 6+ years will 98% stick to iOS for their next purchase and won't even bother look at Android no matter what features Android were to add.

The Android vs iOS war is as dead as the console war. There's no competition anymore, it's just picking one from a duopoly of vendor lock-ins.

Even if EU were to break some of the lockins, people have familiarity bias and will stick with inertia of what they're used to, so it will not move the market share needle one bit.

Re: Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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Post by nasmorn »

xp84 wrote: post #520
lxgr wrote: post #517

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I’m almost certain even something as ad-hoc as Opus 4.5 with access to iOS native APIs at the level of Siri exposed via MCP would run circles around Siri in January 2026.

I strongly agree with this. Frankly even ChatGPT 3.5 could do better. I am baffled that Apple has stuck so stubbornly to whatever insane architecture they have that results in my daily cornucopia of "I'm sorry, I didn't understand" as well as own goals like it forgetting that Apple Music is the only music service I have, or calling a girl I haven't seen in 20 years instead of my wife who has the same first name.

I am also baffled that how common I do something never updates the model. I often use Siri to start a playlist while running but had to rename them because Siri would play some unknown to me public playlist instead of what would seem to me be the highest likelihood target - my own

Re: Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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Post by lxgr »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #427
cush wrote: post #159

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> Gemini is objectively a good model (whether it's #1 or #5 in ranking aside) so Apple can confidently deliver a good (enough) product Definitely. At at this point, Apple just needs to get anything out the door. It was nearly two years ago they sold a phone with features that still haven't shipped and the promise that Apple Intelligence would come in two months.

> At at this point, Apple just needs to get anything out the door To the extent Cupertino fucked up, it's in having had this attitude when they rolled out Apple Intelligence. There isn't currently a forcing function. Apple owns the iPhone, and that makes it an emperor among kings. Its wealth is also built on starting with user problems and then working backwards to the technology, versus embracing whatever's hot and…

Lately, they've arguably been starting from their own priorities (i.e. pushing and protecting their "services" revenue at all cost) and working backwards to an acceptable user experience from there.

> Its wealth is also built on starting with user problems and then working backwards to the technology, versus embracing whatever's hot and trying to shove it down our throats.

Then again, remember millimeterwave? But yes, as a general rule I think your point still stands.

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