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Post by tracker1 »

Hikikomori wrote: post #513
tracker1 wrote: post #510

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The US seemed to get through the industrial revolution mostly with tariffs over income tax revenue which was extremely limited early after enacted.

And you believe the world is similar to what it was back then? Are you mainlining fox news?

I think that humanity hasn't changed as much as maybe you give it credit for as a whole and that most human behaviors are somewhat consistent. I do think that taxes on actions as part of trade is better than taxes on income. I also think that taxes that are somewhat protectionist are better than "free trade" against nations that don't have similar quality of life, laws regarding labor, or free trade themselves.

The portions regarding trade are borne out by the VAT systems in place throughout EU and UK. The fact that tariffs exist in pretty much every nation of the world bears out their utility. The reason that most people are even arguing against it is that its being championed by Trump, who is admittedly a bombastic personality.

My opinions on tariffs long predates Trump. I have similar opinions against property taxes against individual ownership as well. I don't think that you should be at risk of losing personal property for the simple fact that you survived another year.

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

giardini wrote: post #488
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #297

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It used to be 'America, land of the free' and we hero worshiped homeless dudes who happened to chase after cattle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowboy Now it's 'America, land of the greed' and fox news talking heads say homeless dudes should just be executed. Fox News host Brian Kilmeade saying that homeless people should receive "involuntary lethal injections" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phYOrM3SNV8

_DeadFred_ says: "Fox News host Brian Kilmeade saying that homeless people should receive "involuntary lethal injections" Yeah, that kind of thought crossed my mind when a homeless guy, unhappy that I wouldn't let him sponge my car's windshield, grabbed my lhs rear view mirror with both hands and broke it (the mirror no longer responds to its dashboard control). But the moment quickly passed, leaving me only with a n…

They really don't all that much, they just had different options.

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Post by treis »

almosthere wrote: post #517
treis wrote: post #319

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Maybe not literally all but certainly most. We hardly have any farmers or factory workers compared to what we had at one point. They've mostly moved onto cushy office jobs.

Most is 12%? This is the problem with HN. You're all so bubbled it's ridiculous to think sometimes a HN'er will say something like "If I were President."

You're using officer/administrator role for your number. The number of people who work in an office or sitting at a desk is much higher. I see numbers ranging from 40-60% for that.

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Post by K0balt »

moogly wrote: post #62
K0balt wrote: post #43

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Manufacturing means, realistically, bootstrapping the general purpose robots that will foment the “third Industrial Revolution”, which will revolutionize capital and make money largely irrelevant. Energy, materials, and automation are the only relevant factors for capital in the post-employment era.

Oh yeah, I also like post-scarcity SF like Iain M. Banks. Funny names for those ships, right? So we're betting everything on infusing humanoid robots with "AI" and abundance will automatically follow? I'm missing a lot of steps here inbetween. Will we live in harmony or will it be a massive scramble by the various nations to extract every single piece of natural resource by way of PvP? Oh right, the robots will fight…

I think you misread my post as optimism. If we are not very, very careful, it will be more like macroscopic grey goo than some kind of techno-utopia… and that’s with humans still in charge.

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Post by K0balt »

pepperball wrote: post #165
moogly wrote: post #62

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Oh yeah, I also like post-scarcity SF like Iain M. Banks. Funny names for those ships, right? So we're betting everything on infusing humanoid robots with "AI" and abundance will automatically follow? I'm missing a lot of steps here inbetween. Will we live in harmony or will it be a massive scramble by the various nations to extract every single piece of natural resource by way of PvP? Oh right, the robots will fight…

> Can't we just make the billionaires buy everyone a robot from China instead? Oh wait, their money will be useless in a post-scarcity society and they will just be like any regular Joe. Wait a minute. That seems like a massive conflict of interest. Hmmm. Dude it’s all good. Just snort another line and fall in the techno-delusion.

Unfortunately, that’s not the result of money being useless. Money being useless means the end of scarcity for a very few, and life outside the gilded walls for everyone else, trying to maintain an agrarian society so they can eat , and trying to stay out of the way of the ecophagic juggernaut.

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Post by giardini »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #522
giardini wrote: post #488

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_DeadFred_ says: "Fox News host Brian Kilmeade saying that homeless people should receive "involuntary lethal injections" Yeah, that kind of thought crossed my mind when a homeless guy, unhappy that I wouldn't let him sponge my car's windshield, grabbed my lhs rear view mirror with both hands and broke it (the mirror no longer responds to its dashboard control). But the moment quickly passed, leaving me only with a n…

They really don't all that much, they just had different options.

And you know this how? Personal experience, research, multiple interviews, analysis of census data, etc.?

And BTW, Perhaps you could enlighten us as to why cowboys are, as you state,

_DeadFred_ >"homeless dudes who happened to chase after cattle."?

Maybe a research URL or perhaps an brief explanation of how you lived with "cowboys" for X years and also lived with the "urban homeless" for Y years or such?

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Post by cduzz »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #480
cduzz wrote: post #479

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Insurance companies basically mirror the reimbursement policies put in place by medicare. I'm sure most providers would gladly take lower reimbursement from a single provider over the chaos and pain driven by insurance companies right now.

Basically every provider does not take medicaid so I suspect you are wrong about that. Again Im not happy with the insurance situation, I just think its barely top 10 in terms of problems with our healthcare system. The bureaucracy is required because of our horrible fee for service payout system. Without getting rid of that m4a would still requires an army of billers because republicans would constantly be screaming…

Out of curiosity...

I said "medicare sets fee schedules" and you respondeed "nobody takes medicaid"

Presumably you know the difference between them?

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