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Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by wkat4242 »

Jon_Lowtek wrote: post #350
breve wrote: post #4

A necessary step to reduce risk to infrastructure given that the US government has become erratic and has decided it is now anti-Europe. The US means to undermine the EU: https://www.dw.com/en/will-trump-pull-italy-austria-poland-h... The US means to annex European territory: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0j9l08902eo It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure.…

this is not a new issue: airbus has been the victim of corporate espionage supposedly by boeing with aid by the nsa in a well documented case in november 2011, and they are not the only victim of US government agency supported corporate espionage: investigations into the selector lists that ran in the cabinet noir at DE-CIX have shown that a large part of them were targeting european corporations. and that predates t…

Even before that, remember the echelon incident in the 90s where the US used military espionage to Boeing an edge in commercial posts.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by wkat4242 »

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #88
petcat wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure. You can't trust what the Chinese government will do to it or with it. Doesn't Europe actually have a lot of Chinese equipment in their telecom infrastructure? Is this an effort just to try not to make that mistake again?

Europe will just end up doing whatever is cheapest. It's the same story as always. They'll say some stuff publicly but they'll quietly come back to American tech once they see the price tag difference. They're very cost sensitive and their investors are extremely risk-averse.

My Scaleway cloud stuff is way cheaper than AWS. Much simpler billing too.

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Post by wkat4242 »

cpursley wrote: post #150
VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe will just end up doing whatever is cheapest. It's the same story as always. They'll say some stuff publicly but they'll quietly come back to American tech once they see the price tag difference. They're very cost sensitive and their investors are extremely risk-averse.

Yep - just look at their oil/energy situation: they still buy it by the boatload from you know who, but just through 3rd parties.

The US would too if they had no choice. Which we don't, you can't just turn a whole economy around to become oil free.

Steps are being made but it takes time

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Post by wkat4242 »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #440
mdhb wrote: post #424

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without getting hung up on the exact phrase “number 1”. It’s very literally one of the biggest things in official US national security strategy right now and some leaks of the non-public version talk about explicit plans to try and destroy the EU. So semantics aside, the overall point stands on solid ground.

That whole thing is just incoherent. There's lots about forming a trading alliance against China, and then loads about destroying the EU. You can't have both of those at the same time.

Yet it is an official US policy document. The fact that it's incoherent makes it even more unpredictable and dangerous.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by wkat4242 »

i_am_a_peasant wrote: post #244
breve wrote: post #4

A necessary step to reduce risk to infrastructure given that the US government has become erratic and has decided it is now anti-Europe. The US means to undermine the EU: https://www.dw.com/en/will-trump-pull-italy-austria-poland-h... The US means to annex European territory: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0j9l08902eo It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure.…

The US leadership and billionaires are literally trying to destroy my country by supporting far right parties here. I never want to have anything to do with the US again at least until they sort their own crap out.

Yeah I don't want to deal with a country that's trying to pretend to be our friend and then literally giving encouraging speeches to groups trying to destroy our continent.

Even if the democrats make it back to power, a lot of trust and goodwill has been lost. There can always be another trump.

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Post by wkat4242 »

MangoToupe wrote: post #121
breve wrote: post #4

A necessary step to reduce risk to infrastructure given that the US government has become erratic and has decided it is now anti-Europe. The US means to undermine the EU: https://www.dw.com/en/will-trump-pull-italy-austria-poland-h... The US means to annex European territory: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0j9l08902eo It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure.…

> You can't trust what the Chinese government will do to it or with it. It's not clear that europe even trusts europe anymore. Especially with french and german economic dominance looking shakier than ever, debt financing an unpopular war in the east piling up, mounting deficits, industry collapse, youth unemployment... european countries (or greenland for that matter) could do a whole lot worse than turning to china…

China is just not compatible with us ideologically. Freedom of speech, surveillance, state control. That stuff won't work here. It works in China because they've been under it for thousands of years.

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Post by panick21_ »

seec wrote: post #513
panick21_ wrote: post #502

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When people start talking about battery technology that has not even reached scale as any kind of political solution, you know people have lost the plot. Taking one look at just the cost required for the network, even outside of the cost of any generation at all, you realize this is an insane and slapping a few solar panels down is far from a solution. And also lets not ignore that places that have done a lot of the…

Yeah they are just insane whishfull thinkers. I calculated the costs of covering the needs of Germany for a 2 days low production event (as it happened between 6-9 december) and you would need about a trillion dollar. That's for something that cannot even garantee you more than 48h of runtime for half the country's needs. You would need at least 4 times that to be safe. Even if batteries price are divided by 2 (very…

I did a conservative calculation if you started around 2000 in Germany and went full nuclear like France did. Not using any fancy new nuclear or anything. Literally just mass production of standard nuclear plants. Plus all the updates of the grid, including domestic fuel enrichment and 'waste' storage. Plus all the investment necessary to great a fully modern grid to electrify the economy.

We are talking in the order of 500 billion Euro and this is very conservative assumption on nuclear construction cost. Much worse cost then what France actually achieved in their build-out. Also much of that is actually the grid, grids are really expensive it turns out. But building nuclear in central location next to places where there used to be coal plants, makes grid cost much cheaper because most of the grid is already there perfectly positioned to feed the population clusters. And that accounts for actually increasing overall production of energy, not decreasing as Germany is actually doing.

On the other-hand for the renewable path that Germany is going since 2000, just the grid alone is going to cost more then 500 billion euro, some estimation suggest that 2000-2045 total gird investment requirement is above significantly above that. Sadly today where everything is in this different private organization, this information is all over the place and 'semi'-private organization doing different parts of the infrastructure.

In total, between all the renewables, the grid and the storage, we are talking 1.5 trillion euro and that still includes gas peakers. If you want to go beyond and really go all in, it would be even more then that, as you suggest.

Turns out, if you plan includes trying to gather solar energy in Greece and Spain (or even Egypt), transporting it to Germany and then storing it into batteries there, well yeah, that's going to be expensive. And the solar panels you import from China aren't the expensive part.

France did the exact right think in the 70/80s build reliable long term energy generation, sadly since the 90s the newer generation of French politicians done literally anything they can to handle the situation as a badly and as incompetently as possible but that's a different story.

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Post by p2detar »

DaSHacka wrote: post #279
thdrtol wrote: post #72

It is amazing how quick a country can turn into a corrupt dictatorship. Airbus has the ability to move their data to another location, but it is very problemetic that all people with a social account can't. Sure, you can delete your Facebook account but it will take years for you profile to be gone because we all know your data is sold to other parties. My only option is to keep in mind that everything I put online w…

> It is amazing how quick a country can turn into a corrupt dictatorship. I know, watching the fall of the UK and European countries has been really depressing to see. It's unfortunate, but it seems the US will have to carry the torch alone going into the mid-to-late 21st century.

I hope this is satire, especially in the light of these latest news.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/cbs-60-minutes-story-tr...

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Post by i_am_a_peasant »

wkat4242 wrote: post #525
i_am_a_peasant wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US leadership and billionaires are literally trying to destroy my country by supporting far right parties here. I never want to have anything to do with the US again at least until they sort their own crap out.

Yeah I don't want to deal with a country that's trying to pretend to be our friend and then literally giving encouraging speeches to groups trying to destroy our continent. Even if the democrats make it back to power, a lot of trust and goodwill has been lost. There can always be another trump.

I don’t think Democrats would really jump to our aide either. The rhetoric is different but I think the vast majority of Americans think that they can let Europe burn without it affecting them much.

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Post by DaSHacka »

saubeidl wrote: post #507
DaSHacka wrote: post #501

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> trump pissing away a century of hard-won soft power handed the century to China Right, it's all Trump's fault, not the fault of the boomers that sold our country's manufacturing base out to China in the 60's onward which gave them their start, and that we've never recovered from. But no, I'm sure it's the orange man who still hasn't done 1/3rd of the things we voted him in to do, that is the problem. Average deport…

Americans really need to consider stuff outside their little bubble sometimes and think about how their country is just a gear in a much larger system. Of course American power is being pissed away by the guy hurting the transatlantic alliance American power was built on in the first place. Your internal generational squabbles don't concern us. How you present yourself externally does, and that's worse than it's been…

> Your internal generational squabbles don't concern us.

Of course it doesn't, like how European's view of Americans doesn't matter to the vast majority of us. Every country has some sort of 'bubble', or a set of concerns and shared history only relevant to the in-group. I couldn't give a rats ass about the generational history of Europe either, for instance.

> How you present yourself externally does, and that's worse than it's been in a long time.

Well, of course, I'm sure the potential of not recieving massive military aid anymore, and no longer having the ability to run the country dry, would be very noticeable. If that was the cost of maintaining Europe as an ally, then being viewed in a more negative light is simply a necessary expense.

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