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Re: Sick of smart TVs? Here are your best options

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What about their energy consumption? Aren’t they much hungrier?

Power hungry and heavy as hell. I had a 55” plasma that weighed about 150lb with the base.

Refrigerators, stoves, and washing machines are also heavy as hell. Like our plasma TVs, once situated their weights are irrelevant.

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> But for safety reasons, since the software controls when the toaster pops, you decide to check at boot time that the software hasn’t been modified. As arguments go, this is a pretty weak one considering how obvious the solution is: Make the manufacturer not be liable for what happens when you operate the device with unauthorized software.

Lawyers who make these decisions are so risk averse in my experience they'd still probably insist on it being nonmodifiable.

They don't seem to be too risk averse about misusing free software though.

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It sounds like you still want a smart TV, just with control. Which is fine. But for many people, we just want a monitor, maybe with speakers (I personally am fine also separating this). I prefer separation of concerns — if I want to attach a computer to my TV, I’ll do that as a search device. Why have a dependency on the TV hardware, when I can attach upgradable parts?

Because if you own a TV manufacturing company, you can sell more TVs if they have more features. You can get more features by including a linux SBC and integrating it. In fact, some of the paid-app makers will even _pay you_ for this "real estate". You could make a dumb-tv, but you wouldn't sell as many and you would have to charge more.

> and you would have to charge more

Non-commodity consumer products are rarely sold at cost but rather at whatever price the market will bear.

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As far as I am aware, after having done exhaustive research on this, its licensing costs and popularity. Display port simply isn't popular enough. The vast majority of TV manufacturers (not brands mind you, many white label their manufacturing to different brands) also make monitors, and adoption of HDMI across both tvs and monitors not only was much higher, it was overall cheaper in cost since you could share the sa…

Wanting to know what I'm missing r/e: licensing costs. Wikipedia [0] states: > VESA, the creators of the DisplayPort standard, state that the standard is royalty-free to implement. And VESA's website [1] lists Samsung, Sony and LG as being members already, so they've already paid. What am I missing here? [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort#Cost [1]: https://vesa.org/about-vesa/member-companies/

> What am I missing here?

Historical context

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What I'd really like is a TV with DisplayPort. How is this not a thing? IIRC you cannot buy a display with DP that's larger than 45 inches, give or take - they just don't exist. I think this is really weird. Like, I'd pay an extra $100 for that port, but I'm just not allowed to have it.

I'd pay way more than $100 for that port since the HDMI forum won't let my Linux PC with AMD graphics do 4K@120Hz without compression.

Re: Sick of smart TVs? Here are your best options

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Wanting to know what I'm missing r/e: licensing costs. Wikipedia [0] states: > VESA, the creators of the DisplayPort standard, state that the standard is royalty-free to implement. And VESA's website [1] lists Samsung, Sony and LG as being members already, so they've already paid. What am I missing here? [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort#Cost [1]: https://vesa.org/about-vesa/member-companies/

> What am I missing here? Historical context

[citation needed]

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New Hisense TVs have USB-C DisplayPort support. Pretty cool, but realistically I don't see how it's different from HDMI from a usefulness standpoint. Edit: It is cool I can plug my phone or laptop into the TV with one cable, no adapters, and get some power as well. For some reason it didn't work with my Steam Deck which was strange.

I think it helps with the HDMI 2.1 licensing bullshit.

Depends what speed their USB-C port supports.

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And annoyingly you can do USB-C to DP but not the other direction. I can't be the only one that hooks up my computer, with a graphics card, to my TV

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BNX7MS6N

> 4K@60Hz

Re: Sick of smart TVs? Here are your best options

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What I'd really like is a TV with DisplayPort. How is this not a thing? IIRC you cannot buy a display with DP that's larger than 45 inches, give or take - they just don't exist. I think this is really weird. Like, I'd pay an extra $100 for that port, but I'm just not allowed to have it.

You can buy projector and have 120 inches screen in 160 inches wide room. And it is also unbreakable screen, useful especially if you have kids.

With awful blacks, sure.

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Because anti-tivoization doesn’t make sense in a software license. Imagine you make a smart toaster, and you make it entirely out of open source software. You release all the changes you made too, complying fully with the spirit of open source. People could take your software, buy some parts and make their own OSS toasters, everything’s great. But for safety reasons, since the software controls when the toaster pops,…

> But for safety reasons, since the software controls when the toaster pops, you decide to check at boot time that the software hasn’t been modified. As arguments go, this is a pretty weak one considering how obvious the solution is: Make the manufacturer not be liable for what happens when you operate the device with unauthorized software.

Manufacturers still may not go for it, due to the potential bad publicity. To go back to the toaster example, if some fancy open source software alternative has a critical issue and causes fires, the news will not report it with nuance. "SmartCo Toaster Fires on the Rise!" will be the headline, not "Niche Modding Community Sets Toasters On Fire, And The Manufacturer Had Nothing To Do With It".
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