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Australia begins enforcing world-first teen social media ban

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Re: Australia begins enforcing world-first teen social media ban

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fnikacevic wrote: post #475
bigfudge wrote: post #468

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The attempt is to remove the market do exploiting the attention of children for profit. This doesn’t have to be perfect to be worth it. What’s more, the idea that this puts children at the mercy of authoritarians is laughable. The US tech industry has shown us beyond doubt that they are perfectly ok with genuine authoritarians in charge, provided the dollars keep rolling. Fuck them, and good on ya Australia.

So are we banning all advertising to children? Or only banning them from communicating and posting with each other? If it's about monetizing child attention not about speech control why isn't every single toy ad, food ad, movie ad, also banned?

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Post by badc0ffee »

pryce wrote: post #499
bigfudge wrote: post #468

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The attempt is to remove the market do exploiting the attention of children for profit. This doesn’t have to be perfect to be worth it. What’s more, the idea that this puts children at the mercy of authoritarians is laughable. The US tech industry has shown us beyond doubt that they are perfectly ok with genuine authoritarians in charge, provided the dollars keep rolling. Fuck them, and good on ya Australia.

It is not that simple: Authoritarians that want to "protect" their gender-questioning or orientation-questioning children from having online access to trans and gay spaces online are not only enthusiastically backing Australia's social media ban, they are involved in the very creation of this legislation, and are delighted in its negative affects on LGBTQ teens. There is considerable overlap between those who subscri…

On the contrary, that has nothing to do with the LGB. Shrier believes the T concept, specifically, is a social contagion like anorexia.

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Post by observationist »

vablings wrote: post #390
observationist wrote: post #298

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It's four horsemen of the infocalypse 101. Look at the platforms they allowed to continue - discord and roblox, the specific worst of all socials with the most predators, least effective countermeasures. The purpose of a thing is what it does. Australia's policies do not protect children. They quite brazenly and blatantly leave children vulnerable and exploited. The question of what those actions accomplish has a sim…

> The real solution to these problems are cultural. If you want the best outcomes for kids, then reinforce stable loving family environments, empower a culture of resilience and competence and capability, impose accountability for wrongdoing, negligence, and careless operation. If teachers and families are leaving kids vulnerable, the solution is better education and more information. This is just complete bullshit.…

You fix it with better culture. You don't throw away your principles and liberties because "bad things are happening to children, quick, burn the system down!"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocalyp...

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Post by justatdotin »

jjcm wrote: post #269

I've said this before, but if countries want to mandate compliance, they should be required to provide the mechanism for compliance. The rollout of this has been pretty rough all things considered, much of it because the mechanism for compliance is flawed. Anthony Albanese's latest instgram posts are full of comments from teens saying things like, "how am i still on instagram if you banned us". The primary reason for…

it is theater. they acknowledge as much.

not to exert absolute control, just enough to give the clear message: not for kids.

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Post by lII1lIlI11ll »

hedayet wrote: post #492
roenxi wrote: post #459

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Well, yes but the other problem is this is putting authoritarians in charge of more stuff. I had a comment comparing this to allowing people to eat too much food and that is literally where the logical outcome of this sort of thinking goes - it happens in practice, that isn't some sort of theoretical risk. The more the government decides what people can and can't want to do the worse the potential gets when they make…

Still, even the most libertarian among us generally won't oppose restricting youth access to tobacco, or restricting recreational access to hard drugs.

> restricting recreational access to hard drugs.

You might want to double-check your definition of "hard drugs", "libertarian" or both.

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Post by simgt »

petcat wrote: post #454
yladiz wrote: post #434

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In the EU you don’t need to upload your ID anywhere, the service can use the government’s portal for ID verification. In the case of age verification they can get a yes/no response if the age is above some threshold. This is opaque to the service so they wouldn’t get any additional ID details.

> This is opaque to the service The "service" is irrelevant. I think most people would trust Porno Hub to be discreet about their visits. That's in their business interest. But now they have to tell your government about all the times you're visiting Porno Hub. And nobody should trust their government. Also, keep in mind that western governments share with each other. There will come a time when Australians will try…

> And nobody should trust their government.

Nobody should trust a billion dollar corporation, that's why we have democratically elected governments. All these power hungry fucks counter balance each-other, to some extend at least.

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Post by NoPicklez »

MomsAVoxell wrote: post #66
NoPicklez wrote: post #21

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Like what? Kids not being able to do particular things until they're of age? That's much of an egregious violation of their civil rights.

Kids not being informed about the war crimes of their state, and other states.

They can go and watch the news on the TV, they an also go and visit other news websites.

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Post by Nevermark »

I grew up without television. We had a TV until I was 7, but it was never left on, and I was rarely allowed to watch it.

When I was 9 we had a cheap TV for about 3 months and it broke. Family decided we didn't need one.

At 36 I got a TV for a couple years. My kids watched Blue's Clues, etc.

At 38, I again got a TV for a couple years. Then decided dumb late night shows were not helping the insomnia, so cancelled cable, but started streaming HBO.

Since then, I have enjoyed high quality streaming series on occasion. But no live TV, no TV "news", and strictly avoid anything with ads.

When I see a live TV on, with the strange voices and non-logic of ads, and the bizarre posturing they call "news", I get a little sick. Even "nature" and "history" shows have strange pacing and repetition. The transparent sucking sound of ads needing tamed attention-providers warps everything.

I think being sheltered from regular TV, TV ads, and TV news, has been tremendously positive for my mind and life.

Not being exposed to "social" media sites, which are often not actually social, and often unhealthy when they are, is a great win. Quality can sometimes survive in rare small social-conversation sites, not driven by ads or agenda.

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