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Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by igneo676 »

I'm reminded of a rather unpopular statement made by Mark Shuttleworth

> Don’t trust us? Erm, we have root. You do trust us with your data already. You trust us not to screw up on your machine with every update

By using Windows, you're impicitly trusting Microsoft and every update they make and that it won't screw things up. If you've somehow stuck around past the integrated ads, screwy install process that forces you to have an online account, and the thousands of other papercuts then you shouldn't be surprised to find some other user hostile move has taken place.

Good luck with that I guess

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by pjmlp »

bluescrn wrote: post #482
pjmlp wrote: post #241

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They can, the problem is that apparently they aren't able to hire people nowadays with Win32 development experience, so they get interns that have grown in US universities with macOS and Linux, which sundenly have a Win32 developer role. That is how you end up with web garbage in what was supposed to be native code, or .NET. I think this is also a reason why WinUI efforts went down the drain.

Yet Apple can find decent developers to work with their Apple-specific tools+tech. Yeah, there's been complaints about some Apple's old polish and consistency being lost, but it's usually very nitpicky stuff, nothing compared to the complaints about Win11.

Have you actually tried out Tahoe with Liquid Glass?

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by hat_monger »

the_other wrote: post #474
dansmith1919 wrote: post #325

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Keep them?? But how else would you keep devs working hard if there are no mass layoffs to be afraid of all the time??

Get them working on interesting projects building things customers/users/peers will value.

> building things customers/users/peers will value.

AI. Customers want AI, users want AI, peers want AI. If anyone says otherwise, they’re a Luddite and possibly a dangerous political radical.

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by kakacik »

GrinningFool wrote: post #439
logicprog wrote: post #284

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Yeah the disapproval/disgust I'm seeing everywhere, from pretty much every side that I keep my eye on, about OpenAI enabling erotica generation with ChatGPT is so frustrating, because it seems like just Puritanism and censorship, and desiring to treat adults like children as you say.

The issues that these pseudo-relationships can cause have barely begun to be discussed, nevermind studied and understood. We know that they exist, and not only for people with known mental health issues. And that's all we know. But the industry will happily brush that aside in order to drive up those sweet MAU and MRR numbers. One of those, "I'm willing to sacrifice [a percentage of the population] for market share a…

That's kind of patronizing position or maybe a conservative one (in US terms). There can be harm, there can be good, nobody can say at this moment for sure which is more.

Do you feel the same about say alcohol and cigarettes? We allow those, heck we encourage those in some situations for adults yet they destroy whole societies (look at russia with alcohol, look at Indonesia for cigarettes if you haven't been there).

I see a lot of points to discuss and study but none to ban with parent's topic.

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by pjmlp »

acqq wrote: post #463
pjmlp wrote: post #352

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Win32, Windows Forms, WPF, even MFC, I do agree. WinUI, only Microsoft employees on the Windows team, and fools that aren't aware of all the WinRT tooling reboots since Windows 8 was introduced, buying into WinUI marketing of how great it is. As one of the fools that thought WinRT was a great idea, what .NET 1.0 should have been, I doubt there are many of those left. WPF wasn't brought back into active status at BUIL…

Can you write or point to some more insights about the problems / critique of these most recent approaches?

This comment should provide a good overview of the current chaos,

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40843252

Then check the feedback on the latest community call,

https://github.com/microsoft/microsoft-ui-xaml/discussions/1...

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by ptx »

igneo676 wrote: post #521

I'm reminded of a rather unpopular statement made by Mark Shuttleworth > Don’t trust us? Erm, we have root. You do trust us with your data already. You trust us not to screw up on your machine with every update By using Windows, you're impicitly trusting Microsoft and every update they make and that it won't screw things up. If you've somehow stuck around past the integrated ads, screwy install process that forces yo…

I imagine the statement is unpopular because it's deceptive and conflates different kinds of trust. If we (data subjects under the GDPR) voluntarily consent to have our data processed by them (the data controller), then we trust that they will process our data in a responsible way. But when we trust them with root, we trust that they will not take our data to begin with, because doing so would be unethical, unacceptable and (without proper consent and basis for processing) illegal.

That said, I agree that Microsoft can't really be trusted with anything.

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by MBerkley »

ChicagoDave wrote: post #127

Microsoft has gone full-blown evil corporation again. No customer validation on any of the AI cruft. No full OPT OUT. Office products are bastardized with copilot buttons everywhere. I've been a Windows user from day one and I now see a future without it. Satya had been a bright spot in Microsoft, but this blind lust for AI, especially in bed with Altman who is pure con artist, is unforgivable. Some of the investment…

Pure . This is clearly a opt-in feature and they make that abundantly clear in the article. Stop the dramatics.

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by tetrisgm »

herbst wrote: post #422
tetrisgm wrote: post #334

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I’ve done it a few times. The gaming experience was lacking. I’m not a fan of virtualization and containers everywhere either, or having to enter my admin password every day. I’ll wait for the Steam console OS to be live.

That's fedora with proton and some tweaks. No reason to wait

I don’t want to deal with terminal. I don’t want to deal with entering my password. I don’t want to deal with snap. I don’t want to think about what aspects of my nvidia card won’t be supported. Those QOL aspects matter to me a lot.

That’s why I’m waiting for specifically the console version of Steam OS, all usable via gamepad.

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by tetrisgm »

npteljes wrote: post #467
tetrisgm wrote: post #407

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Oh interesting, never heard of it. I do a bunch of emulation and gaming that sometimes requires esoteric drivers, does video streaming and ofc the latest nvidia driver. Does that windows let users mess with that part of the stack?

LTSC is basically a trimmed-down version of Windows. Whatever is possible in Home, Pro, Enterprise etc, is possible in the LTSC as well. Most of the LTSC surprise comes from the lack of features. For example, I installed the "LTSC N" version back in the day, and that didn't even had codecs, so when I opened Reddit in Firefox, the videos didn't play. But even that was easily amended by just installing a specific updat…

Thanks! If you have any extra pointers I’ll definitely explore.

Turns out all the Xbox UI stuff require the latest windows insider. If there’s an LTSC version that covers that, it’d be absolutely perfect for my use case!

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