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Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

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Me too, but these people probably aren't having their cars pilfered in the middle of the night.

My solution to that is to just not keep anything valuable in the car and leave it unlocked. After getting my car window smashed in twice for the thieves to not find anything other than trash I decided this was a better system and haven't had a problem since. For all I know people have rummaged around my car but I don't have to deal with damages anymore. My ideal anti-theft device would be a mode where the car is unlo…

Make sure your car’s jack kit is still there. Thieves want em

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#522
post #286

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Here in the Netherlands, the government gave them away for free They're also illegal because you're not allowed to film public spaces without a good reason (it's up to the judge and case law to decide, e.g. if there has been arson in the area recently then it's reasonable to monitor your car that's parked at the kerb, for example). Nobody has yet gotten in trouble to my knowledge Gotta love hypocrisy

That the government gave them out has me wondering, do they make any kind of distinction between “government does it” versus “you doing it,” i.e. is the government claiming to be monitoring and not you? In America we have this concept that a police must have a real reason to pull over your car. Except they can just setup an arbitrary checkpoint and pull every driver over and this is magically different and acceptable…

I think cops here can pull anyone over any time for a check of driver's license and car papers, also outside of a checkpoint. To look in your trunk or do other actions, they need suspicion though, but that's extremely easily obtained ("I smelled weed" is unfalsifiable as a subjective opinion). They also have discretion: they can see your license expired last week and send you on your merry way with a warning afaik (bad crimes is where they have to act, like conspiracy to murder as an obvious example). Of course, this is most likely with a good excuse (if you have your route navigation device already set to the office where you can renew your licence, say). It goes too far to say that we like cops here (especially people with any amount of pigment are always (among) the chosen ones in random checks afaik), but police are portrayed a positive force that's there to make things better in general and that's I guess why we trust them to be reasonable and use their best judgment to find a solution when each situation is different. Some parties (that usually also happen to be racist) would love to tear this down with more shows of force by police, and harsher and minimum punishments that judges (the third "independent" govt branch) then can't override anymore per case. This is scientifically proven to be not just ineffective but actually countereffective, but who needs science when you can have rhetoric? With them being the biggest two parties now, with the next one the polar opposite, it's looking bleak for justice in the Netherlands' near future. Forget climate, I'm not even sure how to fight for the good things we already had :( Idk to what extent you found this interesting but I thought it could be an interesting window into how things are handled and going in our tiny corner of the world :)

As for the actual question (finally replying to your first paragraph now): sorta. GDPR has exceptions for law enforcement. Pretty broad ones for actual enforcement, iirc much less so for e.g. a statistics bureau or random other government services. If the municipality wants to put up a camera in the busiest places, I think they can use the same argumentation as a private person about their need being greater than people's privacy there, and I'd imagine a judge or privacy agency are more likely to accept it because it's less likely to be abused (the people monitoring the cameras are bound by rules that the organisation makes, and not personally involved) and that changes the up-/downsides analysis. You, the govt, and businesses always need to hang a sign, also on private property (to avoid someone spies on housemates or guests), afaik a judge needs to stamp when a camera needs to be placed secretly somewhere for a defined duration and purpose

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u /hopelite is a 4 month old account with ~40 karma who mostly posts about european immigration low-effort agit-prop bot

Ok narcissistic, dehumanizing deranged stalker. Speaking about European people’s moral right to exist and be free and their clearly organized eradication through sick people as yourself who stalk people and then make dehumanizing statements about them and are whipping up a genocide frenzied against the people who have produced everything humanity has, including this website and every dependency on it, is maybe beyond your deranged and sick little brainwashed mind, but I have concern for humanity because of little sickos like you; including Europeans that put absolutely hate because you are evils! You are evil! You are deranged! You are sick and dehumanizing! You will cause humanity’s ruin if you continue in your deranged ways.

Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

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post #360

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Do you believe burglars have more rights in your home and to your things than you do? Then why do you apply that logic to others that then must suffer your abusive imposition of abuse? How about you just abuse yourself if you want to abuse. Why does in your mind a "brown person" that is a foreign national who broke the law in and of America by entering and/or remaining in the USA, have more rights to have a job, make…

> Do you believe burglars have more rights in your home and to your things than you do? Do you believe that you aren't presenting a ridiculous false dichotomy?

Such manipulative, abusive, evil intended questions are irrelevant, child.

It’s a perfectly vapid question that you avoided and deflected because you know the truth and just cannot face reality. You don’t want an invasion of others and destruction of them or their things they built, right? Well, I’m just not an evil narcissist that only wants that for things and people that benefit me, I want freedom and justice for all, while you will hypocritically sit by and accept and support evil for and by others out of an evil heart.

I don’t have a personal interest in Gaza or any of the people in that whole wretched region, but that does not keep me from understanding that the Gazas also deserved to not be slaughtered and genocided, I simply have principles where you lack them and therefore cannot apply them to people you hate for whatever reason that may be.

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post #480

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> In 2023, the FTC ordered the company to pay $5.8 million over claims that employees and contractors had unrestricted access to customers’ videos for years. It’s right in the article

Firstly, I doubt that this behavior was not against policy, meaning that employees were not able to do so, but did so anyways. Secondly, the article didn't include they were ordered to create a "comprehensive privacy and data security program" which would lockdown such access further.

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Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

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post #341

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God forbids I engage in bad faith arguments with trolls who put words in my mouth

Exactly what words did I put in your mouth? This is your statement: "just to make this explicit, protecting civilians has never been the purpose of modern police forces. they were developed to put down rebellions/catch slaves/protect rich people's property" That statement is incorrect, no matter what your definition of "modern police force" is. That's it. It's not complicated, despite your attempts to deflect from th…

it's so incorrect that you knew exactly what I was talking about and agreed with me before you accused me of spreading misinformation :)

Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

#527
post #341

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Exactly what words did I put in your mouth? This is your statement: "just to make this explicit, protecting civilians has never been the purpose of modern police forces. they were developed to put down rebellions/catch slaves/protect rich people's property" That statement is incorrect, no matter what your definition of "modern police force" is. That's it. It's not complicated, despite your attempts to deflect from th…

it's so incorrect that you knew exactly what I was talking about and agreed with me before you accused me of spreading misinformation :)

Yes, I knew exactly how you were stretching the truth to suit your viewpoints.

Thanks for confirming you knew exactly what you were doing as well. As I said at the start of this, I don't understand what you get out of intentionally making inaccurate statements, but I don't expect you to explain that.

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post #527

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it's so incorrect that you knew exactly what I was talking about and agreed with me before you accused me of spreading misinformation :)

Yes, I knew exactly how you were stretching the truth to suit your viewpoints. Thanks for confirming you knew exactly what you were doing as well. As I said at the start of this, I don't understand what you get out of intentionally making inaccurate statements, but I don't expect you to explain that.

thank you for confirming that you agree with the substance of my argument but have some weird ideological axe to grind with the conclusion! i also appreciate you wasting my time, failing to provide any other viewpoint or counterargument, and repeatedly engaging in ad hominem instead of the substance of my argument!

Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

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post #527

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Yes, I knew exactly how you were stretching the truth to suit your viewpoints. Thanks for confirming you knew exactly what you were doing as well. As I said at the start of this, I don't understand what you get out of intentionally making inaccurate statements, but I don't expect you to explain that.

thank you for confirming that you agree with the substance of my argument but have some weird ideological axe to grind with the conclusion! i also appreciate you wasting my time, failing to provide any other viewpoint or counterargument, and repeatedly engaging in ad hominem instead of the substance of my argument!

I don't agree with the substance of your implied argument, and you made no explicit argument.

You just made an inaccurate statement that supports your implied argument, because reality does not.

Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

#530

This is the logical conclusion to the state of irrational fear that Americans perpetually live in, that causes them to feel they need 24/7 surveillance of their homes, no matter the consequences.

a basic look at crime statistics can tell you it's not irrational. the US has its high trust society taken some decades ago.
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