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Re: Sora 2

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Post by XenophileJKO »

morleytj wrote: post #496
the_duke wrote: post #273

I haven't seen comments regarding a big factor here: It seems like OpenAI is trying to turn Sora into a social network - TikTok but AI. The webapp is heavily geared towards consumption, with a feed as the entry point, liking and commenting for posts, and user profiles having a prominent role. The creation aspect seems about as important as on Instagram, TikTok etc - easily available, but not the primary focus. Genera…

Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

Isn't it kind of fundamentally better. A huge problem with tiktok is doing stupid things on video. On a site where the premise is fake video. Making stupid videos is a very different societal cost.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by xenobeb »

paulcole wrote: post #478
cogman10 wrote: post #469

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> How many hours a week are you actively using AI tools yourself? 2 or 3. Mostly LLMs to check code. > What percentage of public comments that you’ve made about AI tools have been skeptical or critical? Probably around 90%. So sell me. Why is this super impressive? I'm happy to admit that I'm pretty pessimistic about AI. I have an eye for continuity issues, they are pretty obvious to me. Am I just too focused on that…

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You obviously never actually used Sora.

These are hand selected from thousands of prompts. The person who doesn't use these tools thinks that you prompt the video like you are Scorsese directing a film. That is exactly what AI video is not.

More like you write a prompt and then try try try to get something that vaguely does what you wanted it to do. Most of the time though it doesn't even get close. The best video is usually stuff you didn't even intend. It is great for demo reals but that is about it.

They already made such a big deal about Sora 1 for months before it came out then what have you seen from it after it actually released? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

Honestly, Midjourney blows away what I seen in this video as far as being pretty but Midjourney video is the same problem. Your imagination is filling in all these AI video features that don't exist.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by thecommakozzi »

hokumguru wrote: post #388
SeanAnderson wrote: post #320

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It's not an exaggeration to me? I literally stopped the video and went back to the start and re-read. You're more than welcome to speak about your opinions and experiences, but I'm speaking about mine. I'm over here thinking, "It felt like just yesterday I was laughing at trippy, incoherent videos of Will Smith eating spaghetti." I love the progress we're making. I love the competition between big companies trying to…

I fully understand the hype but the initial scene with Sam feels nothing like how any self respecting video producer would create. The jump cuts mid-sentence are extremely jarring, certainly not framed in any traditional sense, and he's almost entirely out of focus. Points though for the completely expressionless line delivery, it completely nailed that.

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Re: Sora 2

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Post by kfarr »

pawelduda wrote: post #517
samuelfekete wrote: post #393

This is a step towards a constant stream of hyper-personalised AI generated content optimised for max dopamine.

It's far from sustainable (for now)

Assuming you have to generate new content for each viewer second watched yes it won't pencil out. But if you have a library of tons of content you can keep building out...

Re: Sora 2

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Post by jrflowers »

wilg wrote: post #459
jrflowers wrote: post #350

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This is a good point. It is hard not to see this tiktok video of an unblinking man smiling at a soft focus sasquatch and think of Marconi’s first broadcast across the Atlantic. I challenge any man to look at this unsettling video of a dog astronaut and not compare it in his mind to the first integrated circuit, or alternating current.

That's not what I'm saying, I'm saying many technologies enable a slide into fascism, and not having AI until a couple years ago didn't seem to solve the problem.

I like this reasoning. If a thing doesn’t exist, and doesn’t cause a problem, then when it does exist it won’t cause a problem. Like for example people died in wars before the invention of the machine gun, therefore machine guns didn’t really kill a significant number of people.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by freedomben »

felipeerias wrote: post #500
morleytj wrote: post #496

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Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

At least now we know that AGI is definitely not happening.

Can you explain a bit more? I'm intrigued by your comment, but not seeing the connection

Re: Sora 2

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Post by paulcole »

xenobeb wrote: post #522
paulcole wrote: post #478

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You obviously never actually used Sora. These are hand selected from thousands of prompts. The person who doesn't use these tools thinks that you prompt the video like you are Scorsese directing a film. That is exactly what AI video is not. More like you write a prompt and then try try try to get something that vaguely does what you wanted it to do. Most of the time though it doesn't even get close. The best video is…

I have used Sora many times! If you need to see a Scorcese movie as output in order to be impressed then you will be incredibly disappointed.

> It is great for demo reals but that is about it.

This is what is amazing! Imagine you go back to 2020 and say, “Hey I’ve got this website where you can type and it’ll return back a little computer generated video that looks pretty real.”

The only thing lamer than people talking about how unimpressive AI is are the people talking about AI’s environmental impact.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by astrange »

martin-t wrote: post #340
Legend2440 wrote: post #276

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The Miyzaki quote is out of context, he isn't talking about generative AI but rather a 2016 animation of a creepy zombie whose limbs are controlled by AI.

While this is true, it's hard to imagine people spending years perfecting the style would be happy to see it copied effortlessly without any compensation while people who made the copying possible are rolling in cash. This is not just about copyright infringement or plagiarism. Automatically generating text, images and videos based on training data and a tiny prompt is fundamentally about taking someone's work and ma…

Luckily it doesn't actually copy the style at all.

No matter what text you put in the prompt you'll get /something/. Just because you put "studio ghibli anime" in the prompt doesn't mean you're going to actually get that out of it. It'll just be kind of yellow and blobby.

(Also, the style isn't from "people" but a specific guy named Yoshifumi Kondo who isn't around anymore.)

Re: Sora 2

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Post by calmoo »

xenobeb wrote: post #514
iLoveOncall wrote: post #439

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No, the average person just doesn't have a creative bone in their body. They will be impressed when they get Super Hero movie #1899 but this time by AI , woo hoo! Now that will be progress!

I am creative and have released music with a large listenership. The other person in my original comment is a designer by trade. Anything else dismissive you’d like to say or do you enjoy leaving snarky comments?

Re: Sora 2

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Post by freedomben »

some-guy wrote: post #452
the_duke wrote: post #273

I haven't seen comments regarding a big factor here: It seems like OpenAI is trying to turn Sora into a social network - TikTok but AI. The webapp is heavily geared towards consumption, with a feed as the entry point, liking and commenting for posts, and user profiles having a prominent role. The creation aspect seems about as important as on Instagram, TikTok etc - easily available, but not the primary focus. Genera…

My opinion is that unless there is some insane breakthrough in power efficiency with video generation, or if energy costs go down to zero, there is no way such a thing actually becomes profitable at the scale of scrolling TikTok. It is far more power efficient (and cheaper) to have people post their own content.

There have been some big breakthroughs with hardware, though I'm on mobile and can't provide a link currently. I expect it to take done time to get into production though.

Also I suspect that this won't stay free very long. Silicon valley loves the model of starting free to build a user base and then monetizing more later

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