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Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

#521

Serious question: why are people siding with Imgur here, instead of blaming the company that chose to ignore the laws of the country it operates in? Imgur's business model is ad sales and tracking users - that inherently requires collecting and protecting data, including vulnerable groups like children. Even if the UK rules are imperfect or possibly overbroad (I haven't read them), if a company choose to operate wher…

That's a fair point, but you have to take into consideration the relevant laws and countries. You also need to take into consideration what it means to "operate" in a country.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

#522

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Not the UK, Labour.

The Tories wrote the law for the recent changes to internet freedom in the UK. Labour supports it. Support seems to come from all sides across the political spectrum. I think the Greens are opposed to it, and maybe Reform in one of their populist speeches, but the majority of UK representatives seem to support this law. Based on this poll, most Britons also support the OSA: https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/britons-back-on…

They could have insisted websites include something like a TXT record saying they are "for over 18s only". Or even come up with a standard saying "this website is suitable for under 18s" under a dns record.

Then the bill payer can enable or disable access for three categories

* Under 18s

* Over 18s

* Unknown

as they are the bill payer and entering into a credit agreement requires you to be over 18. If you wanted belt and braces the phone companies doing PAYG could set it to disabled unless you authenticate your age to avoid the "buy simcard for cash" loophole.

ISPs could choose to implement finer grained controls in their routers. The majority of the big ISPs would likely block the "over 18" category by default.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Tbf, well implemented digital ID would be much preferable to the idiotic situation that we're in now. The emphasis on well implemented.

I still don't understand how someone is supposed to benefit from such a thing. If I want to use some service, I'll sign up for an account with it. The only thing a centralized ID is going to do is let the service correlate me with a different account on a different service, which is exactly the thing that I don't want. How is someone supposed to benefit from a thing whose only function is to reduce the friction again…

Don't you want ai governance or something? If the last human, political act is to ensure deanonymised data online, and there is then the capacity to slurp all that data up and auto-governance is ushered in, you then just need think about how to tweak the algo to get the effect you want. Who owns the algo, is the question.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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At this point, the UK government is beyond shaming. On the contrary, it shame and record-breaking unpopularity seems to empower them. I wouldn't put it passed them to require the digital ID to access the internet passed curfew.

Something that I think normal, decent people don't appreciate enough: you can join an organization without believing a word of what it stands for. It's perfectly possible to just pretend. It doesn't take a ton of resources or a big coordinated conspiracy to join and betray an organization, it just takes a bit of self-confidence, or chutzpah. One person I believe knows this, is Keir Starmer. It's very hard to explain…

What one might contribute to malice can normally be attributed to ignorance. I think the political class in the UK is just completely bifurcated from the public (not as much as the Tories were, but more than I though Labour would be), such that every decision senior Labour leaders are making is lauded in progressively smaller circles they keep and they're oblivious to the reality of the situation. They just don't feel the condemnation of the general public. I think current Labour genuinely thinks their popularity is higher than it is polling, and that they're doing what people want.

To caveate this, I am a Labour member (with the goal of advising tech policy such that they don't send our tech industry off a sharp cliff). I've spoken to a few in the cabinet now about growth and industrial policy, and there's no appetite for engagement outside of their think-tanks. I go to the conferences today, and in contrast to the Tory government days where the main topic of conversation was "what do people want" and "how do we gain seats in the election", it's now all navel-gazing about how "well" their policies poll (vs how well the party does, as if they're the same thing). It's baffling how out of touch the current power brokers are regarding the danger Labour are in. There's rose-tinted glasses, and then there's obsidian-tinted horse blinders.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

#526
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Welcome to Schufa in Germany, the “social credit score” without which is almost impossible to rent or buy in most German cities, if the report (which most folks hardly know how it gets calculated) doesn't have the right numbers on it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schufa

That's just a basic financial credit score, and you can easily rent without one (even though some financial accountability is probably reasonable to balance the strong renter protection laws here). What's so nefarious about it?

Tell that to all the landlords I have met during the last 20 years, easily is not a word that comes to mind.

Only my very first rental back in January 2005 wasn't required, however I would say either it wasn't as widespread, or I was very lucky getting the flat from a university student leaving the apartment and her father (the landlord) fancying me.

Most of folks on my friends circle have similar experiences.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

#527

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HN has moderation, won't track you without telling you, and will delete your content if you ask. That's literally all it takes, it's really not that Orwellian

HN will restrict how fast you can comment without telling you (unless you figure it out and ask). There's no indicator that your account has this restriction besides being prevented from commenting, there's no indicator what the limit is, and the appeals process involves a subjective judgement by HN leadership

There is no law against shadowbanning users

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

#528

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At this point, the UK government is beyond shaming. On the contrary, it shame and record-breaking unpopularity seems to empower them. I wouldn't put it passed them to require the digital ID to access the internet passed curfew.

Something that I think normal, decent people don't appreciate enough: you can join an organization without believing a word of what it stands for. It's perfectly possible to just pretend. It doesn't take a ton of resources or a big coordinated conspiracy to join and betray an organization, it just takes a bit of self-confidence, or chutzpah. One person I believe knows this, is Keir Starmer. It's very hard to explain…

If Starmer were trying to do this alone, then what are the other ministers doing? The UK is a parliamentary democracy, not a presidential government, so it's not just him, it's the rest of the Labour stooges too.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

#529
post #177

WhatsApp, Telegram and everyone else should pull out of EU in protest of Chat Control. Then EU will be forced to make its own chat app, UX will be terrible, and citizens will finally feel enough pain to contact their representatives ;)

> Then EU will be forced to make its own chat app

We'll make our own Chat App! With blackjack! And...

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

#530
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https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising/2023-24_Report Best I can find $ 132,466.01 Africa $ 4,902,373.13 Asia $ 49,423,340.29 Europe $106,546,895.77 N.America $ 2,509,299.46 Other $ 6,082,217.76 Oceania $ 944,844.22 S.America

It looks from another chart like 21% of revenue is recurring, so $10 million annually for Europe. Convert that to GBP and you get about £7.5 million. Figure that the UK accounts for about 15% of the European economy and assume it contributes to Wikipedia at about an equal share. That's about £1.125 million in estimated annual recurring contributions from the UK. You said 10-100/mo, so let's assume £55/mo or £660/year…

I assumed Britain would not be Europe but “other”
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