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Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by DoctorOW »

_heimdall wrote: post #496
4ggr0 wrote: post #487

Earlier quoted context omitted.

your private interests probably don't include the wish for your co-workers to be harmed, killed or at least treated like a lesser being.

Is this fictitious Nazi working with a fictitious Jewish person acting on those views or discussing them at work? If not then why should their employer care, and why should we actually support the idea of workplace discrimination?

> Is this fictitious Nazi working with a fictitious Jewish person acting on those views or discussing them at work?

There's a reason I say "ticking time bomb" in my comment. Hypothetical Jewish person keeps kosher for instance. Is that "acting on" being Jewish at work? What about wearing a yarmulke? If that is, how do you rectify it? If you allow yarmulke, is a swastika armband okay? Both are clothing choices depicting "views".

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by array_key_first »

_heimdall wrote: post #509
array_key_first wrote: post #501

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> Are you arguing for a system where employers consider your political views before hiring you? Yes? Such a system already exists and is currently in place in virtually every country in the world. If I go online and trash talk anyone, that might prevent me from getting hired. Similarly, if I work someplace, and I call my boss a jackass, I might get fired! You're trying to invoke "political" as a sort of shield here.…

> If I go online and trash talk anyone, that might prevent me from getting hired. > Similarly, if I work someplace, and I call my boss a jackass, I might get fired! Those examples have nothing to do with your specific political views. Both issues there are about how you engages with others and are a reasonable example of why you might cause problems on a team. The specific views you would have shared rudely have noth…

> Those examples have nothing to do with your specific political views.

Yes they do - as I've said, you can't invoke politics as a shield.

You can be fired for your beliefs. Politics are a belief. So you can be fired for politics.

If you're trying to say that you can just be an asshole in private - sure. If you share your political beliefs, it's no longer private.

Most companies don't want to hire people they think are assholes.

Ultimately, it's very simple human behavior. I don't want to work with people who suck. You don't either. Okay, so we must discriminate based on politics or other beliefs.

Hiring, in it of itself, is just discriminating. We're discriminating based on skills, personality, beliefs, and fit. That's what hiring is.

There's only a select couple of things we can't, or shouldn't, discriminate on. Politics isn't one of them. If you think black people need to be exterminated or whatever, there's no gun to my head making me hire you. No, I'm not gonna hire you.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by bsoles »

Cloudflare is an evil company in the making. I would rather stop using email altogether than using their "private" service. No for-profit company should be in the business of blocking IP addresses' access to the Internet. I am sick of their "are you human?" and "we are seeing a lot of traffic from your address" shit already.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by twothamendment »

I'm sick of Cloudflare making me prove I'm not a bot - just because I run Ubuntu. I have a static IP. I visit my bank website regularly, can they not figure out that I'm legit? No, they can not.

Can't wait for them to get involved in email... looks like I don't have to!

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by dotancohen »

mschild wrote: post #493
dotancohen wrote: post #480

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The Azov brigade are not Aryan.

Not sure how they are involved in this discussion nor do I know their current ideology besides the media reports, but collaborators were/are not uncommon. Abraham Gancwajch, for example, seemed to have no issue with betraying his people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Gancwajch

I was giving example of a non-Aryan Nazi body.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by wahnfrieden »

_heimdall wrote: post #400
wahnfrieden wrote: post #395

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Or the time they knowingly employed a Nazi

Are you arguing for a system where employers consider your political views before hiring you? And no this is not an attempt to in anyway belittle what Nazi German did during WWII. Assuming the employee you are referring to has never been engaged in such acts, though, that feels like a very slippery slope.

Yes. Naziism is terrorism. People lose their jobs for publicly supporting terrorism. The employee was self-proclaimed "Nazi" (including to quote, "I'm a nazi", posted publicly while working there) per views and advocacy. They also took over leadership of "GNAA" from Weev (a Nazi with Nazi tattoos etc.) while employed at Cloudflare (I won't type out what it stands for here)

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

stickfigure wrote: post #304
egorfine wrote: post #219

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> the internet was worse without Cloudflare It had much more freedom. Currently it's up to Cloudflare to decide whether you will read that article or not. Tomorrow some stupid law will mandate certain ideas to be hidden from children[1] and Cloudflare will happily comply. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children

> It had much more freedom ...right up until you got DDoS'd off the internet by some script kiddie "for the lolz".

Script kiddies pay for a botnet to DDoS for lulz?

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by reitanuki »

forgotmypw17 wrote: post #258
troyvit wrote: post #234

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Being blocked from a web site and having to hit a little box are two different things. Are you talking about the former or the latter? If it's the former ... that has literally never happened to me unless I'm on a VPN and even then it's rarely (if ever) CF that's doing the blocking. If it's the latter then it reflects the sad truth that we can't have nice things anymoret. I have lots of problems with the accessibilit…

This has happened for me on regular residential Internet access. (Check the box, and get redirected to check the box again.)

I hit this too, maybe on the order of one day every month or two?

I'm using a fairly mainstream ISP in a fairly mainstream country.

I don't get why I seem to have such a hard time. I've kept the same IP for months.

But the worst thing overall is that it just doesn't acknowledge it.

Want to block me? OK. But tell me that! Don't just make me tick a box again and again and untick it. It's infuriating.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

hnav wrote: post #331
johncolanduoni wrote: post #317

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CFs single biggest piece of leverage on L7 DDoS is that once a node in a botnet attacks one of their properties, it usually can’t be used to attack any others for a substantial duration. Botnets rely on being retasked frequently so this dramatically reduces their effectiveness. Volumetric DDoS is even worse: you need to have the peering relationships and hardware to handle Tbps of traffic to an IP you announce. Doing…

right, CF (along with Google and Meta) is already servicing double-digit percentages of the world's traffic so it can absorb whatever packets you can toss at it. On the other hand, I suspect most services are going to fall over at L7 first due to common patterns like pre-forked ruby/python servers that struggle to process more than 1k qps per node, unauthenticated user actions putting load on hard-to-scale resources…

That wouldn't be a DDoS, just flaky rate limiting.
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