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Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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That's not how laws and executive orders work? The text of the order matters, not some opinion of some admin official That's why, typically, this would have been reviewed and planned.

I am not trying to defend it, but I understand the issue was that the order was unclear.

All I'm saying is that the text of the order matters, nothing else.

I would love to be wrong on that though...

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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As someone who worked with mulitple H-1Bs making less than their peers, I believe his statement. This visa is very two faced. One hand, it's been used to import some really smart people into the United States who have gone on to do incredible things. Other hand, it's been used for job replacement by "native" workers who can do the job but were "too expensive".

I've worked with and hired people on H1B. At least from my experience they're treated (from a job offer perspective) just like any other candidate. Some get bigger offers because they negotiate well, are in high demand positions etc and some don't. There was no lowballing candidates because they're on H1B or need sponsorship.

Then that's your experience. I've worked with H-1B where their salary was lowballed or job title was. Not to mention the difficulty in switching jobs and 5 years in, they were severely underpaid.

My original comment about being two faced I still stand by.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Doesn’t seem fair to the companies that employ these people. It’s obviously a hidden tax on large tech companies like x and Tesla that hire a lot of global talent.

Doesn't seem fair to the citizens that live here. We should be taxing companies that have international leverage more . ¢¢ –– Citizen, former Data Center Electrician (still blue collar — I'll eagerly do the work if paid citizen-wages!)

I hope your next potential employer rescinds the job offer 2 days before your start date, maybe that will make it clear to you why some of us think this is unfair.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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I can just feel for someone who travelled back home for a family emergency and hope they have the means and courage to leave the family and come back.

I hope they have the courage to stay with their family, and the means to make it in their home country where I’d hope they’re not actively hated on.

That would be the best case and unless somoone seeking refuge, I am sure they aren't hated in their country but who know. Sometimes it takes a little more time to relocate as people build their lives in a different country over time.

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> They are filling every power vacuum they create with direct executive power. Pure authoritarianism. I just gave you a correct definition of authoritarianism, and that isn't it. It's also untrue -- this administration has rather aggressively moved to deregulate a number of areas that prior administrations had regulated. For example, not even a week ago, people here were complaining about the administration's move to…

What does 'a correct' mean to you? Wikipedia says: > Authoritarianism is a political system characterized by the rejection of political plurality, the use of strong central power to preserve the political status quo, and reductions in democracy, separation of powers, civil liberties, and the rule of law. As an outsider from Europe, it seems that is pretty much spot on to me. In Europe this probably applies to Hungary…

First of all, Wikipedia is useless for definitions of words that are in the middle of active political debate. You completely ignored the definition I gave you (which is from an impartial source [1]) in favor of one you prefer, from a wiki.

Setting that aside, you will see the that the citation for that definition [2] basically underscores the ambiguity of the term:

> Political scientists have outlined elaborated typologies of authoritarianism, from which it is not easy to draw a generally accepted definition; it seems that its main features are the non-acceptance of conflict and plurality as normal elements of politics, the will to preserve the status quo and prevent change by keeping all political dynamics under close control by a strong central power, and lastly, the erosion of the rule of law, the division of powers, and democratic voting procedures.

I challenge you to defend the proposition that the current administration is attempting to "prevent change by keeping all political dynamics under close control by a strong central power", while simultaneously clearly acting to undermine many parts of said authority. There are actions by every administration that appear to be "authoritarian" when taken in isolation.

The parts about erosion of rule of law, etc. are clearly also applied to the current administration, but again, are mostly debatable -- these EOs are either within the power of the executive under current law, or they're overturned by the courts. I openly grant that our legislative branch has been on a 50+ year mission to abdicate responsibility to the executive, but that's neither exclusive to the current administration, nor is it "authoritarianism" to use the authorities granted to you under the law, and again, it's not unique for US administrations to overstep the law and be pulled back by the judicial.

[1] https://languages.oup.com/google-dictionary-en/

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarianism#cite_note-Cer...

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Companies have rights in the US, you can't just keep their employees out.

That's not generally true, of course. It requires they're legally employed, and have the proper work visas. I was confused. I thought the company was doing something shady, for it to matter, since it doesn't apply to current visa holders.

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Did they bring their parents with them?

Can't pick and choose. Would you be ok with people escaping persecution or spreading their religion coming in the country if they don't bring their parents?

What point do you think you’re responding to exactly?

GP mentioned “abandoning your parents” when you immigrate as if that’s absurd. In reality it’s the most normal thing imaginable.

I know hundreds of people who live outside their home country and I can’t thing of a single one of them who took their parents with them. When does that ever happen?

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When their identically leveled peers earn $300k.

Even assuming that is true, is that unfair? Yes. Unjust? Yes. Exploitative? Yes. Racist? Usually. But slavery? Absolutely not. Or give me your definition of slavery.

Slavery is a spectrum. H1B are more enslaved than natives, because they have less freedom to quit, change jobs, argue with their superiors etc.

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> but with how many software engineers having gotten laid off over the last 4 years And how many times have we heard that you can’t time the market Can you call the bottom ?

Let's be real here, the metric the foreign workers are mainly competing on is price. The average tech immigrant is not particularly more bright then the average native dev, and the truly outstanding ones can still be given entrance just my paying 100k - which should be entirely neglectable for world class talent.

> and the truly outstanding ones can still be given entrance just my paying 100k

The same song, a tariff on talent

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I mean authoritarianism in India is far worse than what Trump can do at his worst, so their displeasure is not unwarranted.

Absolute bollocks, do you actually know anything about India and what's happening in the last 10 years. Easy being a keyboard warrior when you don't have to provide any justification.

What part is bollocks? Please enlighten me on what radical transformation has happened in the last 10 years to make India less authoritarian, I can only see it increasing in the last 10 years. And yes I am very aware of what is happening, having seen the ground reality in tons of different places both urban and rural.
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