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Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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Post by eru »

lelanthran wrote: post #450
p_l wrote: post #411

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't changing the terms of a deal without even sending you a new contract pretty much illegal anywhere sane? Even between business entities?

We don't know (but the norm is) if the original contract had a sunset clause. Almost every special rate I have ever negotiated had specific clauses about when the rate will end, even if there was no specific date there's always something about "rate is reviewed annually" or similar. I am constantly surprised by the number of people with "manager " in their title who don't know how to read a legal document. The other…

> I am constantly surprised by the number of people with "manager " in their title who don't know how to read a legal document.

Well, that's what you have lawyers for.

Otherwise, agreed with your comment.

Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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Post by bauruine »

gregw2 wrote: post #464
actionfromafar wrote: post #401

Thousands of teen coders now hate Salesforce in advance . This is very shortsighted.

Salesforce... working hard to become the SaaS-era equivalent of mid-90s "Computer Associates" (CA) ... (Regarding acquisitions of Heroic, Sendgrid, Slack, Tableau, Mulesoft, and most recently Informatica...) For those less-familiar with the reference, the Wikipedia entry[1] tells it well: In 2001, The New York Times wrote that "Computer Associates has infuriated clients with high prices and poor technical support." F…

>On July 11, 2018, Broadcom Inc. announced it would acquire CA Technologies for $18.9 billion in cash.

I'm not surprised. That sounds exactly like Broadcom.

Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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Post by andruby »

nickjj wrote: post #487
taegee wrote: post #417

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have a bunch of coders, just scrape the data. Then turn your back on this greedy maw. We recently moved to Mattermost for the same reason. Not looking back.

Slack lets you do a full export which even includes DMs depending on which plan you have. https://slack.com/help/articles/201658943-Export-your-worksp... When the org I was at moved away from Slack (due to costs) we used this method and wrote a little Python script to convert the main channels' JSON dumps into PDFs so we had a usable backup of channels.

Does that break DM’s privacy or does it only let you export your own DM’s?

Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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Post by IgorPartola »

linhns wrote: post #425
casq wrote: post #176

Hi, I’m Christina, cofounder of Hack Club. We just announced this news to our community, and this post is from one of the teenagers in Hack Club. It’s an accurate description of what’s happened, and we’re grateful to them for posting. Slack changed the terms of a special deal we were given last year to charge us for staff and volunteers (not for every teenager coding), and we built programs around that special rate.…

Sad to hear this, I heard of this extortionist behavior with Heroku before but Slack is unprecedented. Of all communities I wonder why Hack Club was targeted though. One of the truly good ones.

You mean a chat company that raise $1.3 billion (!!!) and got bought for nearly $28 billion (!!!) is acting greedy?

Slack is IRC with bells and whistles. Like yes I get that group chat is a necessity for today’s workforce. But it is still just group chat, a solved problem from a technical point of view.

Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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Post by Aeolun »

bauruine wrote: post #522
gregw2 wrote: post #464

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Salesforce... working hard to become the SaaS-era equivalent of mid-90s "Computer Associates" (CA) ... (Regarding acquisitions of Heroic, Sendgrid, Slack, Tableau, Mulesoft, and most recently Informatica...) For those less-familiar with the reference, the Wikipedia entry[1] tells it well: In 2001, The New York Times wrote that "Computer Associates has infuriated clients with high prices and poor technical support." F…

>On July 11, 2018, Broadcom Inc. announced it would acquire CA Technologies for $18.9 billion in cash. I'm not surprised. That sounds exactly like Broadcom.

You’d think they failed based on the description given earlier. But that doesn’t sound like failure to me…

Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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Post by Aeolun »

p_l wrote: post #411
casq wrote: post #176

Hi, I’m Christina, cofounder of Hack Club. We just announced this news to our community, and this post is from one of the teenagers in Hack Club. It’s an accurate description of what’s happened, and we’re grateful to them for posting. Slack changed the terms of a special deal we were given last year to charge us for staff and volunteers (not for every teenager coding), and we built programs around that special rate.…

Isn't changing the terms of a deal without even sending you a new contract pretty much illegal anywhere sane? Even between business entities?

You need to be able and willing to fight the other party in court. I doubt anyone there is enthusiastic about that.
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