Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

thehill.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

521–530 of 571 posts

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

#521

Post by toomuchtodo »

epolanski wrote: post #433
toomuchtodo wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As of January 2025, the U.S. has an immigrant population of 53.3 million people, making up 15.8% of the total population. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/08/21/key-findi... https://usafacts.org/immigration/

And of the remaining 300+M virtually none are native americans ;)

Historically relevant, not legally in the current context. I sympathize with the distinction, but it is important if we are to consider that nations have borders and that will remain into the future. We should enable reasonable and tangible paths to citizenship, but a free for all is untenable. Otherwise, we arrive at the current situation where how the laws are applied changes from administration to administration.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

#522

Post by Bratmon »

FilosofumRex wrote: post #414

Corporate crimes punishment is a real joke in the US. Meta/FB was fined a couple of million dollars for the same type of violations of temp work visa. I'm sure, it didn't even register on their bottom line. We need to put execs behind bar, before they'll ever respect labor or competition laws.

Fun fact: Meta was fined 57 minutes of revenue for these practices.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

#523

Post by Bratmon »

thatfrenchguy wrote: post #181

> However, in order for applications for permanent residency to be successful, companies must certify their inability to find a suitable American candidate to take the position they’re looking to fill with a foreign national I mean, you know, if you already have an employee working on H1B, why would you take the risk to hire someone else to replace them? The perm process is pretty broken in that way.

Or companies could, you know, train people to fill permanent positions instead of claiming permanent positions are temporary and acting shocked when they aren't.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

#524

Post by bottlepalm »

selkin wrote: post #507
bottlepalm wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's crazy. We have some job openings. 500 applications each. 95% of them are people who did their undergraduate in India and graduate degree in America. My interviews this week have been 9/10 people with thick accents, terrible answers, not sure what the hell is going on. Is it HR, is it the leadership directing HR? No idea, but it feels like the company is shooting itself in the foot. Especially a growing company w…

Everybody has an accent. If you wish to hire accent-less people, you’d have no one to hire.

This is not just an accent, it’s extremely poor speaking and comprehension of English itself. Communication is painfully slow and you have to change the way you talk and your vocabulary as well.

After a week of that, interviewing someone who actually knows English feels like turbo charged discussion. I get through interview questions in half the time, with literally 10x more information communicated.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

#525

Post by nyolfen »

mpyne wrote: post #248
nyolfen wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No Silicon Valley company that I know of pays H-1B and citizens different wages on that basis. larger pool means lower wages. this is so fundamental and obvious that it feels like i'm being gaslit when i see shit like this.

Well it's because by this logic we should just stop Americans from studying for computing jobs as well, that way those who remain will have higher wages. Just as the Luddites tried to stop the rise of industrialization that threatened to bring the skills they used to employ to the wider public at lower costs. The real answer is that immigrants create enough economic demand to be net positive even for Americans, for m…

tech wages have stagnated since ~2010 despite being one of approximately three productive growth industries. ever wonder why?

> Well it's because by this logic we should just stop Americans from studying for computing jobs as well, that way those who remain will have higher wages.

generally speaking, the point of 'having a country' is not 'offering opportunities to talented foreigners at the expense of citizens'. major employers routinely violate federal employment law in the pursuit of wage suppression; cursory googling will show you the biggest names you can think of losing lawsuits for hundreds of millions of dollars for their h1b pipelines, and yet they continually do this.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

#526

Post by AuthError »

austhrow743 wrote: post #286
AuthError wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this also holds true for chemical, biomedical researchers, mechanical engineers working in deep tech, software engineering is such an anomaly that it's hard to do income based lottery without overindexing on swe market

What does overindexing on the swe market mean? If these other professions don’t pay as much as swe, then doesn’t that indicate that domestic supply is meeting those industries needs better than it is swe?

or it doesn't have software like margins so you can't pay insane salaries and you still need great talent that's not available in us (those salaries might be higher than normal but it won't match swe salaries)

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

#527

Post by nitwit005 »

thephyber wrote: post #240
1024core wrote: post #202

A lot of these problems could be solved if H1-B's were given out in order of salary (I think there's such a proposal going around recently). And by that I mean: something like a Dutch auction. Give H1-Bs to the top 85K paying jobs (maybe normalized to SoL in the region, I'm sure the BLS has some idea on how to do it). The lure of H1-Bs is the money savings, and the fact that if you're on an H1-B, you're practically a…

This conflates high education specialists with high earnings. It’s probably not completely uncorrelated, but only giving H1-Bs to the highest paying reqs which need them starves all of the other reqs of any possible candidates. I understand that H1-Bs are currently likely to create an abusive relationship with the visa-ed employee, but just because you have identified a valid diagnosis doesn’t mean your suggested pre…

If you have a high skill role and aren't willing to pay for those skills, it's natural you have a "shortage of workers". But, the problem is just the pay.

The normal fix for companies that can't afford to hire, is to let them go broke.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

#528

Post by nitwit005 »

legitster wrote: post #172

So I was at a company that did this a lot - it was much less nefarious than on the surface. It was usually related to them recruiting a certain specialist or acquiring a team at another company. But the only way to get these people visas was to post the jobs publicly and hide them as much as possible. They did this by the hundreds, and it wasn't really a cost saving measure - if you are trying to get anybody in parti…

You're basically saying you think breaking the law is okay, because you don't agree with it.

The problem is, a lot of people don't agree, and would rather have your former employer prosecuted for the fraud.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

#529

Post by timeon »

fuzztester wrote: post #437
overfeed wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s interesting that the U.S. picked an employer-driven model... Health insurance, parental leave† and retirement are also employer-driven. This seems to be a US default that incidentally gives a lot of leverage to employers. † Yes there are government mandated minimums, but when compared to other developed countries, substantive parental leave is largely left to the generosity of the employer

why did it work out that way in the US?

Ideology.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

#530

Post by lazide »

johnsmith1840 wrote: post #169
cess11 wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

That's a made up deffinition only recently invented. Racism is hating another group of people based on physical or cultural background. The US is the most powerful country does that mean if I go to india I can't experience racism because technically India is "weaker" ? Isn't this example literally a group of stronger indians being racist to weaker individuals (job applicants)? This also implies they are not hiring bl…

Also, having lived in Asia before - Americans are totally amateur racists compared to Asians (well, east, southeast, and south anyway. Never lived in Central Asia).

Those aunties and uncles can discriminate you down to damn near the block you came from, even if it was on the other side of the planet, and tell everyone exactly why you’re a bad idea for reasons even you didn’t know about.

Signed, your good little gwailou.

Post reply on HN