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How can England possibly be running out of water?

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Re: How can England possibly be running out of water?

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Woah there, not all foreign born people are refugees. That's some serious misunderstanding you have there. Also, the "foreign born" statistic is pretty moot, seeing as UK was part of the EU until shortly before 2021 with free movement of labour. Most other European countries have higher levels of "foreign born" people living there, e.g. Austria, Germany and Sweden with around 20%[^1]. If you scroll further down, you…

Now you're just nitpicking, which proves my point since you cannot attack the main issue, which is free movement of labor undermining sovereignty and eventually quality of living.

I'm sorry, I don't follow. Can you point me to where exactly I am "nitpicking" and not addressing the "main issue"?

Your main point was not "free movement of labor undermining sovereignty and eventually quality of living".

You started off by implying that the problems we see come from a "Import refugees and give them free money" policy.

I then pointed out that I don't think refugees receiving free money is the main problem, as there is comparatively little money going to refugees.

You then point out that 16% of the UK were foreign born, implying that they were refugees, that they get "free money", and that this is the reason why the UK has infrastructure problems now.

I simply pointed out that "foreign born" != "refugee".

If we entertain your goalpost-shifting and argue about free movement of labour as the root cause for lessened sovereignty and quality of living, I would like to ask you to how Chinese students coming to your country to study, or eastern European truckers trucking around your goods exactly undermine the sovereignty of your country. I am honestly curious.

I cannot figure out how this prevents your country from maintaining her own infrastructure.

Btw, I would invite you to reflect a bit on how you came to the extremely reductionist viewpoint that all foreign born people are refugees.

Re: How can England possibly be running out of water?

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You really twist yourself around here. But this? > Decades of populist left or centre-left governments have kept the prices artificially low whilst requiring investment, resulting in a huge accumulation of debt. Bloody Tories, the whole problem isn't that they were in charge for 32 years from 1979-2024, it's the 13 years of Blair. They have been powerless to stop the spooky Left and fix the pipes before the water was…

The Tories are a centre-left party. That's why they lost the support of conservative voters at the last election and are now in the doldrums, with much of their base having defected to Reform.

>The Tories are a centre-left party.

You honestly believe this? If so: Jesus H. Christ!

Re: How can England possibly be running out of water?

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Well tbf, there is a regulator and there are price controls. They've been given license to extract wealth, but not as much as possible. I do share your bitterness. Free-market fundamentalists have flogged assets for years, and the cost to the citizens is some future government's problem.

> there is a regulator and there are price controls > Free-market fundamentalists have flogged assets for years Maybe the problem isn't the free market (since one does not in any way exist in this case) but government interventionism.

There are a few services best left in the public sector - e.g. defence, water, mail delivery.

When one government, for its own reasons, sells a service, intervention is required to return it to public hands. The cost of that intervention was created by the government that sold the service.

The intervention could be more or less problematic, but it isn't the problem.

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