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Re: US Intel

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Post by vel0city »

SlowTao wrote: post #379
nemothekid wrote: post #299

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The most salient issue with Intel in the past 10 year was their constant delay of the 10nm node process. While TMSC was constantly pushing down the Node size, Intel struggled and ceded a lot of ground to AMD & Apple. At the same time Intel struggled to develop a competitive 5G radio, and GPU. These are all downstream of R&D. If your fab cannot shrink it's node size, then you won't get the most profitable orders.

Hey... that Arc GPU is the one silver lining to what intel is doing recently. Is it perfect, far from it but it ain't bad.

It's both an example of them finally doing something right and a showcase of their failures. Who manufactures the chip in the end? Not Intel.

Re: US Intel

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Post by MangoToupe »

Stephen_0xFF wrote: post #282
MangoToupe wrote: post #68

Note that all our issues with china would be solved if we stopped pretending like they're our enemy.

China wants to be number one and they have a good chance of doing it. Every nation’s leaders and people want that. It affords luxury and influence. The US understandably doesn’t want to lose their spot. It also helps making this an issue to give it a sense of urgency so things can get done — be it policy or innovation. There’s some game theory in there — e.g Prisoners Dilemma. Treating them as the enemy won’t lead to…

Yes, this is the attitude I'm referring to. The people who run this country (emphatically including people who frequent this forum) are far more my enemy than anyone in china could even pretend to be.

I also don't think Americans realize how quickly we will slide from relevance once our grip on the world slacks. We could have built this world into something amazing but instead we just got fat.

Re: US Intel

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Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

galangalalgol wrote: post #505
0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #430

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>how does one get a business loan, with real stuff at stake Show them your finances and collateral to demonstrate that you'll be able to pay off the loan. >I especially dislike the way VC funded startups use VC dollars to effectively be a “loss leaders” for years to choke out the rest of the market. It's a fair point, but it's a point which does not apply to the industries we are discussing, which do not receive VC i…

Wouldn't being aggressive about antitrust chill auch investments in the first place? Uber wouldn't have been so eager to overcome lyft if it knew that it would mean getting broken up or fined into unprofitability.

That's another approach. However, I think it's worth distinguishing if a company acquires market dominance because of merit, vs because it got a big infusion of cash.

I somewhat dislike antitrust because it requires judgement calls on the part of regulators. I prefer simple, elegant rules. Just like in software development. Law should ideally be elegant, just like code.

Re: US Intel

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Post by ViewTrick1002 »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #515
ViewTrick1002 wrote: post #511

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You do know that the per capita number is from your own link? Japan sits at number 19 per capita. Was the US doing about as much as Japan the argument you wanted to make? https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-s... Or are just here to be a contrarian? Maybe the US have an incentive in seeing the American built world order continue? But hey, turn inward and let China and India win. But don’t get ma…

>You do know that the per capita number is from your own link? Japan sits at number 19 per capita. ctrl-f "per capita", nothing comes up. I do notice that Japan is #19 in terms of % of GDP however... I actually think your confusion here explains a lot. You don't know the difference between "per capita" and "GDP". That shows you don't speak English well. That's probably why you don't know much about the US. The fundam…

Oh my god. This is so funny. You truly have to stoop down to insults because you are so fragile? Who hurt you?

Sorry, the massive difference of "per capita" and "% of GDP". Which would be aligned assuming equal GDP.

Given GDP differences between the donor countries the differences aren't meaningful. But sorry, I should have specified as "% of GDP" where the US is a joke comparatively.

What is even more funny is that I have lived a year in the US, I have traveled all over the US. I have college credits in American history. You know the tiny High School course "AP US History"? Have you heard of it?

Which is also why I was not surprised when Trump won in 2016. I had seen the culture. I had seen the close mindedness.

> The US economy was doing amazing back when we were more isolationist.

You mean the roaring 20s right before the great depression? Because that is the last time the US was isolationist.

Seems like you are dreaming about something you don't have the slightest clue about.

Your response is very typical for the absolute craziness that has infected the US psyche. Donald Trump is not a one off, he is what Americans want.

Re: US Intel

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Post by simne »

simne wrote: post #519
kingkongjaffa wrote: post #514

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I'm confused why you mentioned Rolls-Royce and then in relation to BMW. The government intervention of RR was nothing to do with the cars. The original Rolls-Royce company, which included the car division, was nationalized by the British government in 1971 due to financial issues with its aerospace business. The car division was separated in 1973. The parent company, Rolls-Royce plc (nothing to do with cars), was sol…

> I'm confused ... > The original Rolls-Royce company ...due to financial issues with its aerospace business. Well, it is because you do not understand economy of business. Unfortunately, main goal of any business is to be viable, not mean profitable, just be good enough to pay expenses need to run things defined as goals. By definition, ALL old automotive companies started as hybrids - car division to make profits a…

BTW, Bentley was part of RR business model, as basically, Bentley was luxury-sports line of RR, in all other properties very similar to RR.

So, when first Bentley separated from RR, Bentley become rival of RR, and now Bentley and RR divide same market. And this is very bad for their economy, very much like Volkswagen Golf GTI eat market from SEAT performance models, but VW already killed SEAT to avoid unnecessary internal rivalry, and RR-Bentley cannot do this, because they are now different business entities and their coordinated moves prohibited by regulations.

Re: US Intel

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Post by MangoToupe »

roody15 wrote: post #371
Stephen_0xFF wrote: post #282

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China wants to be number one and they have a good chance of doing it. Every nation’s leaders and people want that. It affords luxury and influence. The US understandably doesn’t want to lose their spot. It also helps making this an issue to give it a sense of urgency so things can get done — be it policy or innovation. There’s some game theory in there — e.g Prisoners Dilemma. Treating them as the enemy won’t lead to…

One could argue China may have already surpassed the US or at least equalled it on the world stage as of now. It will be interesting to see how historians view the rise of China and write about the emergence of a new super power. Just a hunch and I am really going out on a limb here but I could see China wait another year or two and then step in and force a peace settlement in Ukraine. This would really show the worl…

China has always been a powerhouse economy. It's really just a blip where they were surpassed in the last two hundred years.

Re: US Intel

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Post by MangoToupe »

snapcaster wrote: post #516
9cb14c1ec0 wrote: post #194

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Oh yes, that nice warm fuzzy China that definitely doesn't speak regularly about war and conflict with the West.

Look the united states is incredibly bloodthirsty and in my relatively short lifetime has killed absurd quantities of people in wars of choice. China hasn't invaded anyone as far as I know. I'm not saying they won't or don't want dominance but idk why we pretend that somehow China are the warmongers

I mean, to claim china isn't expansionist overlooks their extremely violent formation. That said, they haven't been very expansionist for many many hundreds of years.

Re: US Intel

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Post by ViewTrick1002 »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #510
ViewTrick1002 wrote: post #500

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It is easy to be in opposition and complain about everything. The contrarian parties tend to get very popular in the years between election cycles as the governing party can't deliver on everything and has to compromise. Because you do know that Labour in the UK won a landslide victory a year ago and the last date for holding a new general election is in 2029 . The Scandinavian experience is that these parties crash…

>The contrarian parties tend to get very popular in the years between election cycles as the governing party can't deliver on everything and has to compromise. So what happened in Hungary, or Italy, or other examples mentioned by troad? Are you aware that RN, at this very moment , has by far the most seats of any party in the French parliament? Those far-right sentiments didn't magically disappear on election day. >T…

> Are you aware that RN, at this very moment, has by far the most seats of any party in the French parliament? Those far-right sentiments didn't magically disappear on election day.

And the Social Democrats has been the largest party in Sweden since the early 1900s. Given that the left, with all parties combined, haven't held a majority since 2006 while managing to rule with a minority government from 2014 to 2022.

You make a lot of noise for understanding quite little.

Yes. The US has a broken political system, and you the American people haven't done jack shit to fix it.

> So: Even assuming we grant your argument, Trump's power in the US has more to do with quirks of our political system than something fundamental about American culture.

Trumps power in the US is entirely because he is what the American psyche wants or tolerates.

You keep attempting to dodge the outcome and blame it on everyone else. But you need to own it.

Trump is personifying America, which is quite evident given how he has won twice. The American people wants him.

Re: US Intel

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Post by nemomarx »

kingkongjaffa wrote: post #512
klooney wrote: post #169

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It would be less mercurial, I think, although Vance is such a a political chameleon I don't totally know what he would do if he got his brass ring.

> Vance is such a political chameleon What makes you say that?

He's reported to have many more liberal friends when he was in college, used to be vocally anti trump, wrote a book criticizing rural Americans and their culture before running on a base of them. That kinda stuff.

At minimum he's made a never Trump - maga pivot for political expediency but it also seems like his positions are tied to whatever Peter thiel wants

Re: US Intel

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Post by selimthegrim »

jmyeet wrote: post #163
foobarian wrote: post #73

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> There are multiple ways to describe China's economy but the most accurate and relevant for this topic is that it's a command economy That brings up an interesting point. It seems to be a conventional wisdom that centrally planned economies don't work (and did not work in cases where they were tried) as well as Western-style capitalism because of the communication and command bottlenecks. But what if those bottlenec…

What is "conventional wisdom"? It's propaganda, basically. You might be tempted to think of academics as if they're operating independently, almost as if they're in an Ivory Tower where they bless us with missives occasionally as they make deep, apolitical discoveries. But that's just not the case. There is an entire ecosystem of think tanks and funding to push the neoliberalism agenda. This is entirely self-interest…

Who was isolating and starving Yugoslavia? They did a pretty good job of failing on their own.
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