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Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by ezst » Mon, Aug 11, 2025, 9:14 PM UTC

jayd16 wrote: post #478

ackfoobar wrote: post #262

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> .NET is now cross platform, but only as long as it doesn't hurt VS sales, with GUI workloads, profilers, still being mostly Windows only, and partially supported on VSCode, which also has the same VS license. On HN I keep hearing that associating .NET with Windows is outdated perception. Writing JVM languages I feel that the developer experience is pretty much the same on any OS. It seems this cannot be said for .N…

If you're writing a server or a web app then its good and runs well. Visual Studio is still not ported to Linux or Mac, you need to use Rider or VSCode. If you use JetBrains for Java, using Rider will feel good no matter where you are. The GUI library situation is a tough one. In many ways its far more advanced than other languages but their newest attempt is not as good as the older Windows only API. But what other…

Re: GUI library situation, are you implying that they finally came up with something that's cross platform? What is it?

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by sixothree » Mon, Aug 11, 2025, 9:14 PM UTC

pyuser583 wrote: post #476

pjmlp wrote: post #84

I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cros…

How is Rider v. VS? This is the sort of question I don't trust AI with yet.

Rider is very nice and a perfectly competent development environment. It gets first class support and often has the ability to test preview features from dotnet upcoming language and runtimes.

It's biggest problem is that it's not Visual Studio, so it is very hard for people who have lived in VS for a decade to move over.

It does away with some bloat and also provides some features of Resharper natively instead of as an extension.

You can quite literally use this as your primary development environment.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by deaddodo » Mon, Aug 11, 2025, 9:15 PM UTC

asveikau wrote: post #387

xp84 wrote: post #353

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Since when does carrying Apple device(s) mean we have goodwill for Apple? I dev on a Mac all day and own 2 macs at home. Why? * not going to try to convince the whole family to change and I want the various family & imessage features that everyone uses to all work * all the developers at my company use macs and I don't want to have to set up my own unique configurations for everything using WSL and stuff. * In the US…

> In the US, often the Android versions of "apps" you're forced to use by random businesses (instead of the Web which usually would work fine), are pawned off on an offshore team I haven't seen this. Also I would imagine those businesses would do the same for their iOS development? It's odd that you would assume they don't.

While rarely offshored, a decade and a half of experience in the tech sphere shows that Android is almost universally treated as a second class citizen. Some companies won't bother supporting it at all, the majority will have an Android team 1/5-1/3 the size of the iOS team.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by dylan604 » Mon, Aug 11, 2025, 9:15 PM UTC

deaddodo wrote: post #509

dylan604 wrote: post #483

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> - making cringe hardware that basically noone purchased (Zune, Windows Phone) The Surface looks cool to me, but since it runs Windows, I will never use it. Does it only look cool, or is actually a cool device?

Linux runs perfectly fine on most of the Surfaces: https://github.com/linux-surface/linux-surface/wiki/Supporte... There's the usual asterisk here or there, as with most laptops; but, outside of some golden devices, it's about on par with most.

Great, but I'm not looking to run Linux either.

You've completely answered by not answering the actual question though. Is it actually a cool device?

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by Wololooo » Mon, Aug 11, 2025, 9:15 PM UTC

xnyan wrote: post #508

rustystump wrote: post #461

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Idk i can think of a long list of awful stuff coming out of ms that is modern. They put fing ads in an os among other atrocities. I put them behind meta on the evilness meter but i think google is less evil which speaks volumes. The only side of ms that i have any love for is xbox but that is also waning with all the studio acquisitions.

Don’t Apple and Ubuntu also advertise products in their OS also?

I have yet to see a single ad on either the menus on Ubuntu or in OSX. Care to elaborate on what you mean by that?

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by fuzztester » Mon, Aug 11, 2025, 9:16 PM UTC

ivanmontillam wrote: post #441

dingnuts wrote: post #434

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The grandparent was also wryly highlighting the crevasse between post-Nadella Microsoft's PR, which you seem to believe, and their actions. Despite "MS And poor Linux users are out here catching strays. Very "don't you say that about the $1T company!!!" of you to defend them, "fellow Linux user" (also very hi fellow kids..)

I try not to drink the Kool-Aid either on Microsoft's side (again, they are not necessarily my cup of tea), but the prevalence of the people with the "Hey! Remember that Steve Ballmer called Linux a cancer? Micro$$$hit!!" attitude sucks my energy dry.

who at microsoft said open source is unamerican

https://www.google.com/search?q=who+at+microsoft+said+open+s...

one of the results:

Weekly news wrapup: Microsoft claims Linux is un-American:

https://www.linux.com/news/weekly-news-wrapup-microsoft-clai...

from 2001.

well, gosh, I feel sorry for those American Linux developers of that time. I guess they were unAmerican, according to Allchin. if they were of this time, i guess they would have been deported by ICE.

sorry for the victim now ...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-48lNCrmqxA

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by maxrmk » Mon, Aug 11, 2025, 9:17 PM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #84

I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cros…

Do you work in devdiv at Microsoft? I can see the org chart in this comment haha

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by jorvi » Mon, Aug 11, 2025, 9:19 PM UTC

djhn wrote: post #475

meindnoch wrote: post #465

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At this point it's an open secret that there won't be another Xbox. So yeah, they made something cool, and managed to fumble it.

How come? Any TL;DR? Not a gamer, so I’m not up to date on consoles.

Nothing of the sort has been leaked or said by Microsoft.

However, their strategy seems to be going all-in on Gamepass. And if you subscribe to Gamepass, Microsoft does not care if you play on your Steam Deck, iPad or Xbox.

This is also why they mentioned they might open up the Xbox to other stores (Steam), and why they have been releasing first party titles onto the PS5[0].

If you couple that info with them axing their own handheld and instead licensing out the Xbox name to Asus with the ROG Ally Xbox, it isn't a huge leap to assume they'll just license out the Xbox name to whichever OEM feels like making a console. The Xbox One and Series X / S already run the Windows Core kernel which would make going more wide on the hardware support quite easy, and the current hardware is semi off-the-shelf stuff from AMD anyway.

[0] this led to some memery: https://images3.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED187/67a6bce7291...

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by giancarlostoro » Mon, Aug 11, 2025, 9:19 PM UTC

theptip wrote: post #307

827a wrote: post #163

My deepest concern at this time isn't that AI eventually gets written down to nothing; because I don't think it will. Its that these companies are so scared of being out-competed by an AI-first competitor that they're willing to make deep sacrifices to their core businesses just to effectively virtue signal that they're AI first and unable to be out-competed. It is deeply concerning because all things point to realit…

> Google has world-class research teams that have produced unbelievable models, without any plan at all on how those make it into their products beyond forcing a chat window into Google Drive. NotebookLM is a genuinely novel AI-first product. YouTube gaining an “ask a question about this video” button, this is a perfect example of how to sprinkle AI on an existing product. Extremely slow, but the obvious incremental…

I mean Microsoft hosts key AI models in their AI Foundry, I don't think they're hurting.

https://ai.azure.com/catalog

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by ivanmontillam » Mon, Aug 11, 2025, 9:19 PM UTC

yencabulator wrote: post #496

gmueckl wrote: post #435

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This comment comes some 15 years late. Microsoft runs the biggest org on github and has open sourced a lot of their own code under permissive licenses. IE has been dead and buried for ages. Edge doesn't have even close to the same market share and is based on Chromium. They build more and more of their own UIs on Electron. I honestly don't remember when they tried to snare someone to use proprietary extensions to som…

> I honestly don't remember when they tried to snare someone to use proprietary extensions to something open. Try using VSCodium legally with the same functionality as VSCode; remote development, Python language server, C++ debugging, and so on. People who think Microsoft is doing open source work for the good of their hearts are still in for a lesson in EEE. https://github.com/VSCodium/vscodium/blob/master/docs/exte…

As GP said:

> Long story short: MS isn't a saint. They are a business. And they have behaved relatively nice for so long that some young adults don't know any other side of MS now.

They are a business. You seem to misunderstand that businesses cannot behave like charities.

Being a business implies being for-profit.

Nobody said open source had to be free as in free beer, it just had to be free as in freedom.

It's their prerogative to make the plugins marketplace to alternative editors or not. Servers cost money. It's a business.

Does Matt Mullenweg has to let WPEngine sap server resources? Arguably not; and this opinion comes from a guy (me) that strongly dislikes WordPress (and by extension: Matt and Automattic).