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Re: Fight Chat Control

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Post by oakhaven »

I sent the email and got response from Czech Pirate MEP:

[..] The bad news is already circulating—the EU Council is now led by the Danes, who would like to push their position of unrestricted surveillance through among the other member states.

Just a few months ago, however, a vote—only to reopen the discussion!—was supposed to take place, and most states blocked it. So the Danes may try to gain a majority, but we have no indication that the positions in the Council will change significantly. For now.

The bad news, of course, is that as parliamentary elections take place in the coming years in the national states (for example in Czechia in a month), the positions of the states may change. [0]

This needs to be noted, and if it starts to change to our disadvantage, sound the alarm with the new (czech) government.

However, I also have some good news for you in general—for the next four years. :)

Legislation in the EU is approved in such a way that the Parliament and the Council create a position, and then they must work together to reach a compromise.

The current situation is blocked because there is no Council position. However, even if the Council were to finally approve a position and it were terrible, the Parliament's position is strongly against the proposal, and after discussions with other rapporteurs, I can assure you that nothing will change (only the KDU-CSL (a czech christian-democratic party) is causing problems ;)). So no "spying compromise" will pass through us.

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[0] There will be parliamentary elections in autumn 2025 in Czechia, and the populist parties are leading the polls, most notable Ano 2011 led by A. Babis (a mid-left party). I don't know what's their position on Chat Control, but I guess it will be whatever they estimate is going to gain them most votes in elections coming up next.

Re: Fight Chat Control

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Post by jama211 »

Lasokki wrote: post #453
torginus wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU is like: We will protect your sensitive personal documents so that only trusted government institutions and ones held to the highest standards of privacy (such as banks) may have access to it. This is to prevent abuse and identity theft. Also please upload them to BigBootyXXX.com if you want to have a wank

https://ageverification.dev/ "The European Commission is developing a harmonized, EU-wide approach to age verification, accompanied by a comprehensive age verification blueprint that is intended to facilitate practical adoption across all Member States and can be customised to the national context. Built upon the robust European Digital Identity Wallet framework, this user-friendly and privacy-preserving age verifica…

Thank you for this context.

Re: Fight Chat Control

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Post by jama211 »

moi2388 wrote: post #485
Lasokki wrote: post #453

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://ageverification.dev/ "The European Commission is developing a harmonized, EU-wide approach to age verification, accompanied by a comprehensive age verification blueprint that is intended to facilitate practical adoption across all Member States and can be customised to the national context. Built upon the robust European Digital Identity Wallet framework, this user-friendly and privacy-preserving age verifica…

Have you ever played 20 questions?

No OP, but I sense this question is leading somewhere in bad faith

Re: Fight Chat Control

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Post by danielheath »

account42 wrote: post #381
layer8 wrote: post #195

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Not quite. It would be illegal for Signal to continue operating in the EU if they don’t implement the required scanning functionality. And Signal has already stated that they’d rather leave the EU.

If the one western nation passes this then it's only a matter of time until the other ones do to. At that point Signal "leaving" means they may as well stop doing business. Companies like to say they won't bend the knee if it gets them support now but in the end they always do.

I wouldn't believe a for-profit company claiming it'd stand firm.

Signal is a 501c3 nonprofit. There isn't capital to lose

Re: Fight Chat Control

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Post by mrkeen »

Lasokki wrote: post #453
torginus wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU is like: We will protect your sensitive personal documents so that only trusted government institutions and ones held to the highest standards of privacy (such as banks) may have access to it. This is to prevent abuse and identity theft. Also please upload them to BigBootyXXX.com if you want to have a wank

https://ageverification.dev/ "The European Commission is developing a harmonized, EU-wide approach to age verification, accompanied by a comprehensive age verification blueprint that is intended to facilitate practical adoption across all Member States and can be customised to the national context. Built upon the robust European Digital Identity Wallet framework, this user-friendly and privacy-preserving age verifica…

> Built upon the robust European Digital Identity Wallet framework

Doesn't exist. Everything written about it is in the future tense.

Re: Fight Chat Control

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Post by Aerroon »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #292
Aerroon wrote: post #173

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I think the UK (and EU) have been at this for a while. The UK pushed for the Data Retention Directive in the EU in the mid 2000s that required ISPs to save all the websites you visit. This was eventually ruled to be illegal, but it was still in force for several years. These guys have been at it for a while. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Retention_Directive

Australia too. They've been playing with this for decades. The latest push is similar to the UK: age verification for porn and social media, but watch it expand once introduced. The Establishment really don't like how they're not in control of what everyone hears or sees any more. It used to be so cozy for them.

In Australia it's going to be really easy to justify adding this as a requirement to video games: they already ban games by default and then selectively allow them. Bridging the two seems pretty easy to justify politically.

I guess liberal democracy's days are numbered.

Re: Fight Chat Control

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Post by Yeul »

munksbeer wrote: post #316
elric wrote: post #307

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IMO this kind of pedantry detracts from the message. We know that the EC is pushing it, but the EC does not represent the people, that's the job of MEPs. Thus a list of MEPs from countries, colour coded by whether or not the country is known to support the position. And optionally a marker for their personal opinion if known.

> but the EC does not represent the people, that's the job of MEP The European Council is the heads of each member state. They are literally the people elected by each nation state domestically. If they don't represent the people, then that means national democracy is broken (which I agree with in cases like the UK) but I'm making a more general point. https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/european-council/

The Dutch Prime Minister is not elected.

The Netherlands is a very complicated country.

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