I find it fascinating how much a pretty large group of people just hate semaglutides and seemingly need to believe that it's some kind of Faustian bargain. I'm not talking about the people who are cautious or suspicious, that's more than reasonable, but it's clear that it's not cautious optimism in many.
Ozempic shows anti-aging effects in trial
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Many people (will only speak to America), view being fat as a literal moral failing. Gluttony or overeating are not the sin, but being fat. (From that perspective:)a miracle cure that allows someone to stop being fat is like an indulgence (in the Roman Catholic sense). It’s a cheat, a shortcut that allows the unworthy to reach a state they do not deserve. My opinion is to wait long enough to validate there are no lon…
> Many people (will only speak to America), view being fat as a literal moral failing. Gluttony or overeating are not the sin, but being fat. I feel like I've seen and heard more of the opposite: The trend is to avoiding anything that might make someone feel blame for arriving in their situation. With obesity the trend is to blame some combination of "our food supply", trending science topics like microplastics or th…
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I helped my dad lose 50 lbs by finally, after 10 years, getting him to give up bread, sugar, potatoes. It took buying him 2 months of a bluetooth glucose monitor. Once he saw what certain foods do, he believed me finally. At 65 years old, healthier than I remember since he was 40 and I was a teen. It doesn't require some weird injection.
There's anecdotes, and there's science. Individually, there's (previously) been nothing better to suggest than "try harder (and, maybe, smarter)". Statistically it was almost useless, but it's the best we had. It's not bad advice exactly, it's just extremely unlikely to work for long-term, sustained weight loss. It also very much appears to be the case that weight gain and loss are heavily influenced by environmental…
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Honestly, this is essentially BS. I'd say that 95% of healthy weight people stay that weight because their metabolism and appetite works properly. People who stay in shape by paying careful attention to their diet are a tiny minority.
What information do you have to back up this claim?
Source: have to do keto diet and be strict to stop food addiction.
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> If Ozempic is so great then how come our bodies don't just produce more GLP-1? To store calories so you don't starve. This is a failure mode of evolution and there is in fact "free lunch" when we use technology to reoptimise our bodies to calorie abundance
> when we use technology to reoptimise our bodies to calorie abundance replace "calorie abundance" with "sedentary lifestyle" and youre there. its people eating more than they burn off because they dont exert themselves because thats what being an adult means.
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#526I find it fascinating how much a pretty large group of people just hate semaglutides and seemingly need to believe that it's some kind of Faustian bargain. I'm not talking about the people who are cautious or suspicious, that's more than reasonable, but it's clear that it's not cautious optimism in many.
Imagine kids that want to eat chicken nuggets and sweets and don't want to do any exercise because it's hard or makes them briefly uncomfortable. Then apply that image to people over the age of 10.
When I started gaining weight in the past, I changed my diet (permanently up to this point) and got set on a fitness path. These things greatly improved my life and improved my outlook on life. Somebody who just grabs an injection isn't getting that same change in outlook. They're just handling the symptoms instead of addressing the root cause.
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Is it possible to avoid having the same discussion every time anything related to Ozempic comes up?
It's an important discussion. We should all be aiming to do better. Instead we're just lowering the standards for everything. Only the morbidly obese should be using these drugs to get down to a healthy enough (overweight) level to lose the rest with sensible discipline, healthy/less eating (mostly this), and exercise (less this, but important for the mind, strength and cardio). Discipline and basic understanding of…
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#528This, like much of the pharmaceutical approach to well-being, is treating symptoms and not the problem. Metabolic dysfunction? Fix the metabolism. Poor understanding of nutrition? Fix the understanding. Lack of emotional or self-control? Fix the discipline. Obesity is largely NOT an acute symptom and does not need an acute solution. If you don't fix the underlying problem you will have weight issues your whole life (…
While I'm at it, I should also not take ADHD medication and instead just fix my mutated dopamine circuitry.
Re: Ozempic shows anti-aging effects in trial
#529This, like much of the pharmaceutical approach to well-being, is treating symptoms and not the problem. Metabolic dysfunction? Fix the metabolism. Poor understanding of nutrition? Fix the understanding. Lack of emotional or self-control? Fix the discipline. Obesity is largely NOT an acute symptom and does not need an acute solution. If you don't fix the underlying problem you will have weight issues your whole life (…
What specific diagnosis is a "metabolic dysfunction", and how is it fixable?
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There are lots of miraculous, life-saving drugs that have minimal side effects and aren't snake oil. Metformin, insulin, many vaccines, some statins, and some antibiotics are clearly on that list.
Statins cause uncontrollable anger in some people… but also lower it in other people. eg https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal... finds it reduces anger in men but increases it in women.