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Re: 6 weeks of Claude Code

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Post by thunky »

OtomotO wrote: post #470
thunky wrote: post #448

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> By using AI, you learn how to use AI, not necessarily how to build architecturally sound and maintainable software > will not necessarily make you a more knowledgeable programmer I think we'd better start separating "building software" from programming, because the act of programming is going to continue to get less and less valuable. I would argue that programming has been very overvalued for a while even before A…

I find it super ironic that you talk about "the industry believing its own hype" and then continue with a love letter for AI.

Ok. But most developers aren't building AI tech. Instead, they're coding a SPA or CRUD app or something else that's been done 10000 times before, but just doing it slightly differently. That's exactly why LLMs are so good at this kind of (programming) work.

Re: 6 weeks of Claude Code

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Post by glitchc »

scrollaway wrote: post #473
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What's happening is that we are being bombarded by marketing on all fronts. These gushing statements are no different from the testimonials and advertorials from the days of yore.

It’s absolute lunacy to think everyone lauding Claude code is paid marketing/shilling. What’s actually happening is there’s a divide being created between engineers that know how to use it, and engineers that don’t or want to convince themselves that it’s useless or whatever. Group 2 will not fare well in the coming months.

I don't believe anything I see online anymore. Payola is everywhere and people are happy to sell their professional souls for little more than likes and free LLM credits.

Deeper still is this: The group that openly relies on LLMs to code is likely the first group to be replaced by LLMs, since they've already identified the recipe that the organization needs to replace them.

More broadly, we live in an age where marketing is crucial to getting noticed, where good work alone is not sufficient and you have the perfect scenario for people to market themselves out of the workforce.

Re: 6 weeks of Claude Code

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Post by minzi »

Is it really that much better than cursor’s agent? I’m hesitant to try because it would be out of pocket and I get cursor for free (work). It’s hard to understand how it could be that different if both are using sonnet under the hood.

Re: 6 weeks of Claude Code

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Post by hooverd »

iwontberude wrote: post #2

I stopped writing as much code because of RSI and carpal tunnel but Claude has given me a way to program without pain (perhaps an order of magnitude less pain). As much as I was wanting to reject it, I literally am going to need it to continue my career.

check out https://talonvoice.com !

Re: 6 weeks of Claude Code

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Post by makingstuffs »

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Ah mate I can’t relate more to the offshore component. I had a very sad experience where I recently had to let go of an offshore team due to them providing devs that essentially ‘junior with copilot’ but labelled as a ‘senior’. Time and time again I would find telltale signs of dumping LLM output into PRs n then claiming it as their own. Not a problem, but the code didn’t do what the detailed ticket asked and introdu…

Why does it go against your morality? Sounds like a totally rational business decision, only affecting a sub-par partner

I know what you mean it just feels a bit inhumane to me. Sort of like defining a value for a living being and then determining that they fell beneath said value.

Re: 6 weeks of Claude Code

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Post by fourthark »

exfalso wrote: post #396
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> as a vibe coding skeptic, I was amazed. The interesting thing about all of this vibe coding skepticism, cynicism, and backlash is that many people have their expectations set extremely low. They’re convinced everything the tools produce will be junk or that the worst case examples people provide are representative of the average. Then they finally go out and use the tools and realize that they exceed their (extreme…

Hmm not my experience. I've been aggressively trying to use both Cursor and Claude Code. I've done maybe 20-30 attempts with Code at different projects, a couple of them personal small projects. All of them resulted in sub-par results, essentially unusable. I tried to use it for Python, Rust and Bash. I also tried to use it for crawling and organizing information. I also tried to use it as a debugging buddy. All of t…

You're probably in an obscure niche domain, or asking it to do something creative.

Try like upgrading JS package dependencies, or translating between languages, limited tedious things, and you will be surprised how much better it does.

Re: 6 weeks of Claude Code

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Post by skydhash »

thunky wrote: post #521
OtomotO wrote: post #470

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I find it super ironic that you talk about "the industry believing its own hype" and then continue with a love letter for AI.

Ok. But most developers aren't building AI tech. Instead, they're coding a SPA or CRUD app or something else that's been done 10000 times before, but just doing it slightly differently. That's exactly why LLMs are so good at this kind of (programming) work.

I would say most people are dealing with tickets and meetings about the tickets more than they are actually spending time with their editor. It may be similar, but that 1 percent difference needs to be nailed down right, as that's where the business lifeline lays.

Also, not all dev jobs are web tech or AI tech.

Re: 6 weeks of Claude Code

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Post by ryanjshaw »

sitkack wrote: post #326
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Totally agree with the off-shore component of this. I'm already going to have to break a task down into clear detail and resolve any anticipated blocker myself upfront to avoid multi-timezone multi-day back and forth. Now that I'm practiced at that, the off-shored part is no longer valuable

The unemployment in India is going to be catastrophic. Geopolitical.

Many companies that see themselves as non-technical at the core prefer building solutions with an army of intermediate developers that are hot swappable. Having highly skilled developers is a risk for them.

Re: 6 weeks of Claude Code

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Post by handfuloflight »

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I don't agree, to me switching from hand coded source code to ai coded source code is like going from a hand-saw to an electric-saw for your woodworking projects. In the end you still have to know woodworking, but you experiment much more, so you learn more. Or maybe it's more like going from analog photography to digital photography. Whatever it is, you get more programming done. Just like when you go from assembly…

> to me Key words there. To you, it's a electric saw because you already know how to program, and that's the other person's point; it doesn't necessarily empower people to build software. You? Yes. Generally though when you hand the public an electric saw and say "have at it, build stuff" you end up with a lot of lost appendages. Sadly, in this case the "lost appendages" are going to be man-decades of time spent undo…

> Sadly, in this case the "lost appendages" are going to be man-decades of time spent undoing all the landmines vibecoders are going to plant around the digital commons.

Aren't you being overly optimistic that these would even get traction?

Re: 6 weeks of Claude Code

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Post by actinium226 »

scrollaway wrote: post #473
glitchc wrote: post #461

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What's happening is that we are being bombarded by marketing on all fronts. These gushing statements are no different from the testimonials and advertorials from the days of yore.

It’s absolute lunacy to think everyone lauding Claude code is paid marketing/shilling. What’s actually happening is there’s a divide being created between engineers that know how to use it, and engineers that don’t or want to convince themselves that it’s useless or whatever. Group 2 will not fare well in the coming months.

I think there's a lot of useful idiot bandwagon-ing going on. LLMs are clearly impressive, and nobody wants to be like the guy in 90's who said "ah, internet's just a fad," so everyone is overcorrecting and trying to pretend they're like the guy in the 80's who said "trust me bro this internet thing is gonna be big! Get in quick!"

But the internet took decades for people to get onboarded and figure out how to use. We're still figuring out how to use it in some ways. That's not to say the people should sleep on LLMs, but let's chill with the "Group 2 will not fare well in the coming months" nonsense. If anything group 1 is at a higher risk because they rely on others to set the trends they tell everyone else to catch up to.

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