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OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by hv23 »

threecheese wrote: post #220
extr wrote: post #56

IMO other than the Microsoft IP issue, I think the biggest thing that has shifted since this acquisition was first in the works is Claude Code has absolutely exploded. Forking an IDE and all the expense that comes with that feels like a waste of effort, considering the number of free/open source CLI agentic tools that are out there. Let's review the current state of things: - Terminal CLI agents are several orders of…

Claude Code is just proving that coding agents can be successful. The interface isn’t magic, it just fits the model and integrates with a system in all the right ways. The Anthropic team for that product is very small comparatively (their most prolific contributor is Claude), and I think it’s more of a technology proof than a core competency - it’s a great API $ business lever, but there’s no reason for them to try a…

Digging in here more... why would you say it isn't in Anthropic's interest to win the "agentic coding UI" market?

My mental model is that these foundation model companies will need to invest in and win in a significant number of the app layer markets in order to realize enough revenue to drive returns. And if coding / agentic coding is one of the top X use cases for tokens at the app layer, seems logical that they'd want to be a winner in this market.

Is your view that these companies will be content to win at the model layer and be agnostic as to the app layer?

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by osigurdson »

sunaookami wrote: post #402
osigurdson wrote: post #327

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>> Claude Code has absolutely exploded Does anyone have a comparison between this and OpenAI Codex? I find OpenAI's thing really good actually (vastly better workflow that Windsurf). Maybe I am missing out however.

Codex CLI is very bad, it often struggles to even find the file and goes on a rampage inside the home directory trying to find the file and commenting on random folders. Using o3/o4-mini in Aider is decent though.

It isn't a cli thing, it is available in the ChatGPT ui. I've been using it for a few weeks.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by apwell23 »

submeta wrote: post #510
i_love_retros wrote: post #496

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Who's reviewing all the code you are churning out with ai? If everyone is used to maintaining not developing software it doesn't sound like they'd be best suited to have to review lots of complex pull requests. It sounds like you are moving very fast and probably have people just clicking "approve". Good luck for the future to who ever owns your company!

When I setup systems, I thoroughly document them, test them, develop them according to architectural best practices. My AI assisted code generation is lightyears ahead of what I see in companies I have worked for. The best they —the companies—-do is hire expensive consultants. Who sell them preconfigured system. And when you look into those systems you won’t believe your eyes either. Because you instantly realise tha…

did i miss it or did you still not answer

> Who's reviewing all the code you are churning out with ai?

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by Fethbita »

asdev wrote: post #30

I never knew anyone who used Windsurf. These AI acquisitions have been unbelievable(in a bad way). WIX acquired some garbage Lovable.dev clone for 80 million. I think many of us are waiting for this bubble to pop(economy will likely pop too)

Windsurf was also used by enterprises because of their on-prem plan. They gutted that after OpenAI acquisition was announced and since then I am sure none of those enterprises that used it will switch to their cloud offering and look for other venues.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by apwell23 »

mesmertech wrote: post #413
forrestthewoods wrote: post #299

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No one ever shares their great and shipped products. AI built slop is for generating hype not revenue or users.

Not the OP but this is smth I've vibecoded using cursor: https://bestphoto.ai/ MRR ~$150. It basically started as a clone of my other site: https://aieasypic.com (MRR 2.5k, 5-8k/mo rev) since I was having trouble keeping code context in mind and claude was pretty bad at doing full features with the tech stack I used for that site(Django BE, NextJS FE) making adding new features a pain, so I completely switched to a s…

I love examples like these. I eventually want to start a bunch of these too.

thanks for sharing.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by mnky9800n »

e1g wrote: post #183
harikb wrote: post #173

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I think GP is talking about Claude Code Max 100 & 200 plans. They are very reasonable compared to anything else that has per-use token usage. I am on Max and I can work 5 hrs+ a day easily. It does fall back to Sonnet pretty fast, but I don't seem to notice any big differece.

Yes, my CC usage is regularly $50-$100 per day , so their Max plan is absolutely great value that I don’t expect to last.

Shhh don’t say that. I love Max. I don’t want it to go anywhere.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by Eggpants »

submeta wrote: post #105

I went from Emacs to VS Code, then to Cursor, next to Claude Code, which is so good that I feel like I am having half a dozen junior devs at my fingertips, 24/7. Since Claude Code is cli based, I reviewed my cli toolset: Migrated from iTerm2 to Ghostty and Tmux, from Cursor to NeoVim (my God is it good!). Just had a 14h workday with this tooling. It’s so good that I complete the work of weeks and months within days!…

Try again. No self respecting Emacs user would ever call vim “good”.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

macrolime wrote: post #514
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #334

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> Pretty easy to hit $100 an hour I don’t see how that can be true, but if it is… Either you, or I are definitely use Claude Code incorrectly.

This is around what what Cursor was costing me with Claude 4 Opus before I switched to Claude Code. Sonnet works fine for some things, but for some projects it spews unusable garbage, unless the specification is so detailed that it's almost the implementation already.

> unless the specification is so detailed that it's almost the implementation already.

You mean… it’s almost exactly like working with interns and jr developers? ;)

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

wadefletch wrote: post #209
aeve890 wrote: post #195

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>Cursor just committed mass consumer fraud at worst, and at best pissed off all their best customers. What happened?

flip-flopping on pricing has led users to feel nickel-and-dimed i like cursor fine, but check out the forum/subreddit to see people talking like addicts, pissed their fix is getting more expensive i think this aggressive reaction is more pronounced for non-programmers who are making things for the first time. they tasted a new power and they don't want it taken away.

I want that entitled attitude to spread. Destroy profitability.
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