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Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by Ashkee » Wed, Jul 09, 2025, 12:46 AM UTC

Aurornis wrote: post #189

Walf wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So because those people are ignorant of the nomenclature, they must not really experience those issues? I never asserted that it was a standalone condition, in fact I attributed it as related to undiagnosed conditions that do have names.

Applying formal-sounding nomenclature does not transform accountability like you’re suggesting. Also, being able to Google a TikTok-famous phrase and get hits from SEO-targeted blog posts like this doesn’t really make it official nomenclature. They’re just trying to capture traffic with trending keywords. This is a very obvious SEO article. Saying “I have a problem with being on time” and “I have time blindness” are…

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Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by Treehouse16 » Wed, Jul 09, 2025, 4:07 AM UTC

Aurornis wrote: post #101

parpfish wrote: post #63

Decades ago in my first abnormal psych course, the prof warned us that there was an almost iron-clad law that students will immediately start self diagnosing themselves with “weak” versions of every disorder we learn about. In my years since then, it has absolutely held true and now is supercharged by a whole industry of TikTok self-diagnoses. But there are a few things we can learn from this: - if you give people th…

> - if you give people the chance to place a label on themselves to give a name/form to a problem, they’ll take it. This one is widespread among the young people I’ve worked with recently. It’s remarkable how I can identify the current TikTok self diagnosis trends without ever watching TikTok. There’s a widespread belief that once you put a label on a problem, other people are not allowed to criticize you for it. Man…

Time blindness is a real thing. However, I know it triggers peope snd it allows them to complain about people being late. "Time blindness" is about temporal processing, and I have it. I only mention the condition when people ask me questions about when something happened, because people think everyone is the same, I have to explain that I can't perceive time. It's real, etc. So exhausting, but they keep complaining about something they don't have. https://psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.neuropsych.191...

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by Aeglaecia » Wed, Jul 09, 2025, 5:21 AM UTC

protocolture wrote: post #520

Aeglaecia wrote: post #508

Earlier quoted context omitted.

language is a mere symbol that points to meaning , the point attempting to be made is that people are becoming lost in symbol

If 2 people use words, and the intended meaning is properly conveyed between them, they used the correct words. I feel like you might be getting lost in the symbolic.

well that's an ironic point for you to make considering it appears my point was entirely miscommunicated , I'll try again by saying that people are addicted to labels and identification which in my opinion is not in anyone's best interests , if it still seems to you that I am lost then this conversation is itself a bit lost too

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by account42 » Wed, Jul 09, 2025, 11:28 AM UTC

parpfish wrote: post #63

Decades ago in my first abnormal psych course, the prof warned us that there was an almost iron-clad law that students will immediately start self diagnosing themselves with “weak” versions of every disorder we learn about. In my years since then, it has absolutely held true and now is supercharged by a whole industry of TikTok self-diagnoses. But there are a few things we can learn from this: - if you give people th…

> People should use this to gain greater empathy for those who struggle.

This is part of the cause of the current situation though - that putting labels on yourself gets you more empathy than you would have gotten as a "normal" person.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by aiisjustanif » Wed, Jul 09, 2025, 2:29 PM UTC

jowea wrote: post #11

Interesting article. It reminds me of TVTropes. It's the most systematizing (as opposed to holistically) way of looking at media, decompose it into parts (tropes) that are shared with other media. It feels like approaching the ultimate in the Western scientific orderly systematizing thought. Anyway here's the relevant trope: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MeasuringTheMari...

This came to mind for me as well, if anything I think “Measuring The Marigolds” is in slight opposition to the article and supplements it.

When the article got to using a pros-cons list for having kids, that’s where I found the "put away your calculator and enjoy the beautiful sunrise" moment. You can systematically think about things and still have a personality especially for something as important as having a child. :)

I think a lot of this boils down to that not everything is black and white in life and it sucks to think that way, like assigning labels and using therapy speak this way. Which I very much agree with the original article on.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by aiisjustanif » Wed, Jul 09, 2025, 3:17 PM UTC

freehorse wrote: post #332

We live in increasingly complex societies with more and more demanding social dynamics. In the past, it was all much simpler, though at certain costs, that the article fails to mention or romanticises. Not all quirks were celebrated or "funny" and not all people survived to tell beautiful stories. Moreover, a lot of things were simpler in ways that are becoming less and less ok. People now can divorce; marriage is no…

> Raising to a higher consiousness would be an actual, good solution, but that takes time.

Time as in evolution?

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by arduinomancer » Thu, Jul 10, 2025, 3:47 AM UTC

tmseidman wrote: post #2

I always feel like these "We do this new horrible thing that's taking over" articles are always blown out of proportion- sure, _some_ people talk that way, maybe it's even trending to talk that way for a significant group of people, but it's not true of everyone, all the time. To me, this trend seems largely confined to youth culture and social media. I also found it ironic that part of the OP's argument was that nob…

I find it entertaining and view it more as a writing device

The author obviously adds some exaggeration to get the point across

I don’t think they actually think everyone does this

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by arduinomancer » Thu, Jul 10, 2025, 3:49 AM UTC

cowboyscott wrote: post #83

> This is part of a deeper instinct in modern life, I think, to explain everything. Psychologically, scientifically, evolutionarily. Everything about us is caused, categorised, and can be corrected. We talk in theories, frameworks, systems, structures, drives, motivations, mechanisms. But in exchange for explanation, we lost mystery, romance, and lately, I think, ourselves. This is the rejection of science applied to…

That does not follow

It’s possible to apply systems, frameworks, or categorizations that are actually wrong or overstated

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by ryuker16 » Thu, Jul 10, 2025, 6:53 AM UTC

uncircle wrote: post #350

parpfish wrote: post #63

Decades ago in my first abnormal psych course, the prof warned us that there was an almost iron-clad law that students will immediately start self diagnosing themselves with “weak” versions of every disorder we learn about. In my years since then, it has absolutely held true and now is supercharged by a whole industry of TikTok self-diagnoses. But there are a few things we can learn from this: - if you give people th…

According to Google, any physical symptom is indicative of cancer. According to social media, any personality quirk is indicative of ADHD. I am diagnosed ADHD from a qualified professional, took medication, found it a great help, and I’ve come around to believe it’s all bullshit. Yeah, you have ADHD symptoms, yeah it’s disrupting your life, yeah you cannot find concentration and motivation. No, you’re not special. Yo…

I was diagnosed adhd well before mobile phones. Also, mri scans show adhd so yes, it is a prefrontal cortex deficiency.

Let me give you some old man advice. Untreated adhd feels sutble to the person but its not subtle to everyone around you. You think your calm but come off like a zany, pacing autistic person or incredibly anxious. Alcohol and drugs can make you even more spazzy or impulsive.

Dont believe me? Go ask friends and coworkers how you come off. Your going to be shocked, trust me.

Every adhd person i met who told me what you just said was a spazzy mess or incredibly rigid/disciplined/control freak to counter act the adhd.

They were rarely away how much of a spazz we come off as even with treatment.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by ryuker16 » Thu, Jul 10, 2025, 6:59 AM UTC

EGreg wrote: post #226

parpfish wrote: post #63

Decades ago in my first abnormal psych course, the prof warned us that there was an almost iron-clad law that students will immediately start self diagnosing themselves with “weak” versions of every disorder we learn about. In my years since then, it has absolutely held true and now is supercharged by a whole industry of TikTok self-diagnoses. But there are a few things we can learn from this: - if you give people th…

The word “disorder” is loaded, but it is interesting to also look through the lens of the Social Theory of Disability. For the rise in diagnoses for autism, ADD, gender dysphoria, eating disorders such as anorexia nervosa, bulimia etc. Just as we now view the historical labeling of women as suffering from “hysteria” as a systemic failure, not a personal pathology, we should interrogate whether current diagnostic regi…

Double blind testing has been done on this so none of what your essay is saying has not been tested or studied.

Putting adhd or depressed people in a paradise situation does not make them not adhd or depressed.

Ive lived in a few different countries. Societies that dont label or believe in psychology just outcast the mentally ill as weirdos and encourage them to drink away their troubles.